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Mastering Problem (+Pics)

I'm using Reason 2.5, my melody included 2 channels.
it looks like this:



I've already set the channels volume to be lower and lower (as you can see in the picture), and it's still looks too high on the master-channel. What can I do to fix that?

lower the master channel.. then maxzimise the whole in a audio editor..

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Originally posted by Subtle lower the master channel.. then maxzimise the whole in a audio editor..

Audio editor like 'Wavelab' ?! how can I maximize it there?

first compress/eq it (if you want to) then use the normalize (to 100%) effect

1. never use normalize (use compressing and limiting instead)
2. if the master-channel clips you have to lower the single channels until nothing clips anymore!
3. the master channel can go higher than the single channel-levels because sound in the same frequency will be added together. if you have a huge differnece it's most due the lack of bad equalising.

just my 2 cents

cYrus

I see you have some room left so just lower channel 1-5 with about 50-60. Then your balance is still the same but your not clipping the output. If it still clips you should chek the master levels at the sources(synth, sampler etc.) and lower each device with the same amount.

You could begin a new track with the masterfader at 127 and keep the channels from clipping.

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Originally posted by thecYrus 1. never use normalize (use compressing and limiting instead) 2. if the master-channel clips you have to lower the single channels until nothing clips anymore! 3. the master channel can go higher than the single channel-levels because sound in the same frequency will be added together. if you have a huge differnece it's most due the lack of bad equalising. just my 2 cents cYrus

I'm using 1 compressor and 1 eq per channel.. it's ok?

I can post here my compressors and eqs settings so you can check if it's ok or not..

My compressors\eqs look like this: (first comp\eq go to the first melody channel, second comp\eq go to the second channel)

-sigh- The first thing they teach you is to never let the peak of a channel signal go beyond the fader's Odb reference:



See how each channel never peaks beyond the faders?

Yours should be looking something like this:


So lower the channels volumn source and then bring those faders up
damnit

It doesn't matter what settings you have on your compressors and eqs. Just make sure you don't get any audiable clipping.

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Originally posted by Rob So lower the channels volumn source and then bring those faders up damnit

Sorry bout my ignorance, but what is 'the-channels-volumn-source' ??

dude listen YOU DON'T NEED TO COMPRESS LEADS!! there is no purpose for this just makes them a big disaster(unless you purposely want to). Going a little over 0db is ok but I'm mean small amounts like to 3 or 4 maybe. Start off with mutting all your tracks...then start by engaging each channel one by one...but be analytical about it and watch the levels to see where each one is at...so one by one you can see which channesl are in the red and reduce them...then after each one is done check your master and see where your at from there...also you might want to eq all the sounds that don't need and low end and roll it off..like hats and fx, ect...also do the same to teh ones that only need low end and so on. This will improve the mix and may help you with clipping.

Ok, I've just set the volume to be lower, now it just looks like this:

Ok:

I'm assuming that mixer is the only mixer for your track.

In the bottom righthand corner of each maelstrom is a master volume control, and there are also volume faders per OSC next to each OSC. Set those accordingly, and then go to your main mixer. Each device (redrum, nn19, etc.) has a master volume control. Use it.

If you think you have the 'ratio' correct between all your channels and the master is clipping... turn the master down until it doesn't clip?

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Originally posted by RIPassion Ok: I'm assuming that mixer is the only mixer for your track. In the bottom righthand corner of each maelstrom is a master volume control, and there are also volume faders per OSC next to each OSC. Set those accordingly, and then go to your main mixer. Each device (redrum, nn19, etc.) has a master volume control. Use it. If you think you have the 'ratio' correct between all your channels and the master is clipping... turn the master down until it doesn't clip?

Sorry I didnt understand you dude...can u explain it again step by step?

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Originally posted by Shahar Ok, I've just set the volume to be lower, now it just looks like this:

Ok now put the master on 127 and find a amount for each channel which'll not clip the output. So add 10 to each channel and see if it clips etc.

you don't need to get to the maximum output level before the mixdown. that's something for the mastering procedure and will be made in a audio-editor. just get enough headroom before you export the tune, so you can still compress and limit it proper in the editor.

If you don't mind you have less dynamic, this works. I like to use the maximum output. What's your preference 127 steps for volume or only 80.
Most producers here won't mind though.

guys,
I dont like the ratio between the first melody channel (scream1) and the second (eq2)...but if ill change the ratio, it will clip the output...how can I keep the ratio?

What do you mean with ratio here. Explain what you mean by "the ratio between".

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Originally posted by MadThijs What do you mean with ratio here. Explain what you mean by "the ratio between".

The volume level of first melody channel should be 10 steps lower than the second melody channel. like: ch1 = 50, ch2 = 60

but I cant to that coz channel 2 will clip the output...

You should add a limiter or a compressor to the master channel in order to keep it tidy. I usually don't compress the masterchannel anymore, I rather limit it to -4dB, and normalize it in a wave editor. When I limit the master instead of compressing it, I find that I will retain the levels on all parts throughout the track, instead of stuff getting blurry as more and more stuff comes in. (not an eq issue).

I'm new to this too, so no flaming plz!

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Originally posted by Beijer You should add a limiter or a compressor to the master channel in order to keep it tidy. I usually don't compress the masterchannel anymore, I rather limit it to -4dB, and normalize it in a wave editor. When I limit the master instead of compressing it, I find that I will retain the levels on all parts throughout the track, instead of stuff getting blurry as more and more stuff comes in. (not an eq issue). I'm new to this too, so no flaming plz!

when you say 'add limiter or compressor to the master' u mean to the mixer master or to the nn-19 master?


btw, every synth im using has a compressor..it's ok?

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Originally posted by Shahar The volume level of first melody channel should be 10 steps lower than the second melody channel. like: ch1 = 50, ch2 = 60 but I cant to that coz channel 2 will clip the output...

That's why you need a compressor on the master and possibly even on the lead. Why do you need to compress a lead? Well trance is definitly not a genre where the lead has alot of dynamic range, so you'll want to decrease that dynamic range and most importantly stop it from any having abrupt spikes or peaks(especially the case when you layer lots of leads together to make 1 phat lead).

Anyway, back to your problem. Try and set this up(wait a while for it to load as it's animated ):




Notice how when I increase the volumn of lead1, the compressor(really a limiter as it's set to the highest ratio) kicks in and compresses the signal source. Result = well set it up yourself and listen to what it does.

Re: Mastering Problem (+Pics)

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Originally posted by Shahar I'm using Reason 2.5, my melody included 2 channels. it looks like this: I've already set the channels volume to be lower and lower (as you can see in the picture), and it's still looks too high on the master-channel. What can I do to fix that?

well it looks like this 'eq2' channel is too loud even thougs its fader is pretty low. it looks like you used one hell of a boost with that eq - instead boosting the frequency range, try cutting other ranges and setting the volume afterwards. i suppose that channel is too loud anyway the way it is now. after setting levels right, get your master fader down, render to wave, and normalize afterwards in wavelab, cooledit, soundforge, or whatever you are using.

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