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Ultimate Production PC?

Ugh.

I upgraded a few months ago from a 1 gig athlon w/ 562 mb of ram (because of clipping) to a now 2.0 AMD Athlon 3000+ w/ 562 MB of ram.. Now it's a bit better but I still run into problems when I have 5-6 vst's going in cubase (with effects) and my sample's loaded as well. I should've probably gone higher but thats all that I could afford at the time.

I'm planing on upgrading again because I really can't stand the clipping... What should I get next time so that I won't run into problems? Any suggestions?


BTW I am using an Audiophile 2946 as soundcard.

- Rodas

use the search or go here

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Originally posted by Vizay use the search or go here

I don't mean to be an ass. But I did use "search" and yes, my specific request / discussion I wanted to bring up it didn't.

Thanks for the link. I'll definitly check it out.

Anymore suggestions are welcome.

- Rodas

no worries, that one might be a bit tricky to find if all you know is that you want to upgrade your computer (that's why I include the link )

no offense taken

dual amd opteron 250s.

2 gb corsair xms ram.


there u go man.

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Originally posted by Sirocco dual amd opteron 250s. 2 gb corsair xms ram. there u go man.

what a GREAT idea to recomend thoose corsair memorysticks for that processor. They are not ECC and will therefore probably not work with the opteron system.

Sirocco don't suggest things to people without doing some research first.

well i dont have pc tech written on my forehead but its a general idea

Re: Ultimate Production PC?

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Originally posted by Rodas I'm planing on upgrading again because I really can't stand the clipping... What should I get next time so that I won't run into problems? Any suggestions? BTW I am using an Audiophile 2946 as soundcard. - Rodas

buy a apple

i just ordered:

amd64 3500+ (socket 939)
1gm ddr
radeon x850pro (pci express)
m audi 2496
benq 17" 8ms
dvdrw
airplane aluminum covering

Re: Ultimate Production PC?

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Originally posted by Rodas Ugh. I upgraded a few months ago from a 1 gig athlon w/ 562 mb of ram (because of clipping) to a now 2.0 AMD Athlon 3000+ w/ 562 MB of ram.. Now it's a bit better but I still run into problems when I have 5-6 vst's going in cubase (with effects) and my sample's loaded as well. I should've probably gone higher but thats all that I could afford at the time. I'm planing on upgrading again because I really can't stand the clipping... What should I get next time so that I won't run into problems? Any suggestions? BTW I am using an Audiophile 2946 as soundcard. - Rodas

heh. it depends on the synths. in one project i used battery, vaz modular (with 3 synths used), and virsyn tera (7 channels), and run completely out of cpu, so i got athlon64 2800+ socket754 because socket939 just costs too much right now. and guess what - never finished the track
almost everyone will suggest you to go with an athlon, so will i. if you really want to upgrade, get an athlon64 on socket939, opteron and socket940 solutions are just too pricey ... i am paying for my own hardware, and my salary aint 1000 euros. i cannot understand how can someone suggest a dual opteron for a hobby like this (unless you are a professional, of course, in which other rules apply). some obvious solutions to your problem are:
- increase latency (do you really need low latencies? i do not most of the time)
- instead of some cpu intensive synths, try using some other synths with similar sounds - i use synth1 a lot for almost any kind of sound, and have maximum 2 or 3 cpu hogs in one song.
- render some synth sounds to loops and layer the wavs in your song instead of the synth - this can be used especially for drums and basslines.
try this before spending even more money than you already did. btw a friend of mine is making wicked psytrance, goa and techno tracks on a pentium 3 900 mhz 256 mb sdram creative labs pci128.
anyway, what is that clipping you are talking about? sound clipping or what?

I must say that I agree with h.vox. There's no idea that we give you our ideas of a dreamsystem because in reality you'll probably not afford it just like the rest of us

a perfectly valid system wich wouldn't cost the world to upgrade to would be something like this:

OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Rev2 2x512MB
Athlon 64 3500+ (s939)
a fitting motherboard for that (wich one you choose should mainly be decided by if you want PCI express or not)

if you choose to go for PCI express you'll need a new gfx card too, I'd suggest a regular Geforce 6600 (not GT).
It'll do perfectly fine for production and will work pretty good for games too if you'd want that and it wouldn't dig a too big hole in your wallet

eyo, i just upgraded my system. currently running:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 90nm socket939 (make sure u get the 90nm, newer technology)
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 2 Socket 939 - (awesome fucking board)
1 gig 512x2 patriot ram 3200 w/ red heatsinks.
1 160 mb hitachi sata harddrive
1 200 mb maxtor harddrive (from old computer)
1 zalman cnps7000b-cu heatsink/fan
1 radeon 9600 pro w/ 256 mb (from old computer)
1 m-audio revolution (from old computer)
1 silverstone temjin-b06 full tower case w/ windtunnel
1 rosewill 500 w power supply

all this (not including parts from old computer) is under $1000. now after installing this, i gotta say, there really is no need to dish out the extra money for the 3800+, 4000+, fx-53, fx-55, or the opterons. first of all the new 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+ all run on the new 90nm technology, while the 3800+ and up run on 1.3microns. secondly, paired with low latency unbuffered ram, a good motherboard (i recommend the msi motherboard i got, but there's other options), and a nice heatsink, you can easily overclock this. pushing the 3500+ to 3800 speed is no problem as long as u have the right parts, and with my setup right now, i'm ocing up to 4000+ speed still with low temperatures. now, compare the price of the new 3500+ which i got for $259, to a 4000+ or fx-53 (both basically the same thing) which at newegg costs $770. thats a huge difference. if ur thinking bout the fx-55 then thats reaching 1000 just for the processor alone. Basically what i'm saying is, save your money, get the cheaper processor, with better parts to fit the processor, and then overclock to the same speed you thought u were missing out on. (not like the original speed of the 3500+ was slow anyways; i booted windows in a couple seconds when i first started it up)

now, i'm running logic, w/ a bunch of vsts, and plugins with no problems at all. no latency or lagging issues.

however, i also noticed that u said u upgraded to a 3000+. honestly, that cpu should not be giving you any problems either (i believe filo & peri use the same processor). possibly your soundcard settings are not optimal which is causing some of the lagging issues. it might also be better to upgrade to 1 gig of ram as well. One a final note, even though you have a fast computer, try not to go crazy on the plugins. conserve ur cpu and bounce parts to audio when u think u have it finalized. it'll definitely help a lot.

i suggested many options in the thread that was linked by vizzay. and that thread will probly be of very good use to you. it includes lots of informationa dn lots of ideas. now your right theres probly no reason to have a power house system but it does pay off. as well music production might be a hobby but when you have a higher end system you can get into other hobbys that would nearly be impossible without a high end system. liek for example im into video production and editing. which requires a decent amount of cpu crunching. now about the issue with your current pc being a bit shotty. what are each ram stick bus speed and what are they like 3200, 3600 or what read your mobo manual and make sure you have them in the right order that it says to have based on the kind they are. as this will lots of times fix issues of shittiness. so might give it a shot.

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ i suggested many options in the thread that was linked by vizzay. and that thread will probly be of very good use to you. it includes lots of informationa dn lots of ideas. now your right theres probly no reason to have a power house system but it does pay off. as well music production might be a hobby but when you have a higher end system you can get into other hobbys that would nearly be impossible without a high end system. liek for example im into video production and editing. which requires a decent amount of cpu crunching. now about the issue with your current pc being a bit shotty. what are each ram stick bus speed and what are they like 3200, 3600 or what read your mobo manual and make sure you have them in the right order that it says to have based on the kind they are. as this will lots of times fix issues of shittiness. so might give it a shot.

i gotta agree. perhaps, your ram is running at a lower speed than what your processor should be at. if you have a 3000+ you should have pc-3200. don't go anything lower than that. try to up it to 1 gig also. honestly i think ur 3000+ should be fine.

Yep I do have pc-3200.

Today I ordered another stick of rambus so it should be comming within the next few days. Hopefully that'll help greatly.

If anything I'm going to see if I can get some help with OCing a bit because maybe that'll help out a bit.

Any other suggestions are welcome =p.

- Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas Yep I do have pc-3200. Today I ordered another stick of rambus so it should be comming within the next few days. Hopefully that'll help greatly. If anything I'm going to see if I can get some help with OCing a bit because maybe that'll help out a bit. Any other suggestions are welcome =p. - Rodas

wouln't suggest ocing unless if ur whole system was built for it. only reason i oced my comp is cuz every part i got is basically top of the line. but if ur getting help then i think it should be ok.

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Originally posted by Rodas Yep I do have pc-3200. Today I ordered another stick of rambus so it should be comming within the next few days. Hopefully that'll help greatly. If anything I'm going to see if I can get some help with OCing a bit because maybe that'll help out a bit. Any other suggestions are welcome =p. - Rodas

you ordered rambus? rambus requires dedicated motherboards and is being ditched for quite some time now, and i think you just spent quite an amount of money for nothing. pc 3200 is ddr memory, and that is something completely different.

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Originally posted by h.vox you ordered rambus? rambus requires dedicated motherboards and is being ditched for quite some time now, and i think you just spent quite an amount of money for nothing. pc 3200 is ddr memory, and that is something completely different.

No I didn't I picked up ddr.. I'm just so used to refering to any type of ram as "rambus" haha.

Sorry.

BTW trancinchink.. I think me and you pretty much have the same systems. I have the K8N Neo Platinum MB as well. One of the best MB's for the price / system.

- Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas No I didn't I picked up ddr.. I'm just so used to refering to any type of ram as "rambus" haha. Sorry. BTW trancinchink.. I think me and you pretty much have the same systems. I have the K8N Neo Platinum MB as well. One of the best MB's for the price / system. - Rodas

oh, well all i was saying is that before you overclock you should make sure all your parts can handle it. having the similar processor and motherboard isn't everything. i'm gonna have to assume that you have the older version of the 3000+ not the new 3000+ 90nm because you said you upgraded a few months ago. the older version runs at higher voltage creating more heat. by having the older 3000+ means that you are not running socket 939 which probably also means you have the original msi neo platinum socket 754 not the msi neo2 platinum socket 939. these just might seem like #'s to you but it all really makes a big difference. the newer motherboard i have is basically built to be overclocked. on top of that, i applied silver thermal paste before attaching a huge Zalman CNPS7000-B copper heatsink/fan instead of the retail. my 2 x 512 mb sticks of PDP Systems dual channel ddr ram have extremely low latencies and also have heatsinks on them as well. honestly, only after meeting so many specs did me and my friend decide that my computer was ready to be overclocked. overclocking isn't something you can do any given day of the week. if your not careful, you can take down your whole system.

if you really plan on overclocking, my suggestion is to replace your heatsink/fan w/ a better one, get nice ram, and make sure you have an ample powersupply for your computer (450w should be fine). gluck, and have fun!

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