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Meh...so much hoopla about nothing...

This wasn't a beating just some dude on the ground...big deal...the cops didn't do anything bad either (at least from that video)

If this were on public property id be freaking out about this. But you have to realize that York is in fact private property. If the people who run York had asked the police to remove this person and he refused then they had every right to arrest him just as they would have the right to arrest him if he refused to get off your driveway at home.

They should have taken that protest out to Keele St.

video 2 looking like a beating to me.

thats horrible action taken by the police. definetly an abuse of their powers.

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Originally posted by j_spot video 2 looking like a beating to me. thats horrible action taken by the police. definetly an abuse of their powers.

THE GUY WAS RESISTING ARREST!

What do you want them to do? Shake his hand?

Protest ppl are so geeky ... SHAME SHAME SHAME! Help the guy out if you really feel so stronge on what your protesting about, instead of screaming shame shame shame.

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL Protest ppl are so geeky ... SHAME SHAME SHAME! Help the guy out if you really feel so stronge on what your protesting about, instead of screaming shame shame shame.

Oh they helped him out alright.

Those videos sealed the deal for him being convicted of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

Way to go team!

helping him out would only get them in trouble john.
the protester beaten to the ground did exactly what he should have. passive resistance. Notice him not standing on his feet, it makes the cops carry you. same with cuffing, make them move your arms, you dont need to do it for them.

they should have formed a human ball when the cops started to walk towards them. that would have been the "shut up and defend" mode.
I saw it all during the G7 in Kannanaskis outside of calgary a few years back. Human chains, blocking traffic, human balls etc.

the police are left nearly powerless for you to spread your message, and then something liket his happens where they go too far and assault somebody. I mean, obviously we havent seen teh whole video, but it doesnt look like there was much discourse between the cops and protestors. I bet they didnt ask them to leave. they certainly didnt in the video clip. The just took an aggressive stance and attacked, which is when shit goes wrong protesting. Montreal, and Seattle come to mind.

cops are all in teh wrong. sorry..they arent police officers, they are OFF DUTY RENT A PIGS. If I suffered any injury, id take action against them, not money, just a statement.

damn that bites the big cheese ...

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Originally posted by j_spot helping him out would only get them in trouble john. the protester beaten to the ground did exactly what he should have. passive resistance. Notice him not standing on his feet, it makes the cops carry you. same with cuffing, make them move your arms, you dont need to do it for them. they should have formed a human ball when the cops started to walk towards them. that would have been the "shut up and defend" mode. I saw it all during the G7 in Kannanaskis outside of calgary a few years back. Human chains, blocking traffic, human balls etc. the police are left nearly powerless for you to spread your message, and then something liket his happens where they go too far and assault somebody. I mean, obviously we havent seen teh whole video, but it doesnt look like there was much discourse between the cops and protestors. I bet they didnt ask them to leave. they certainly didnt in the video clip. The just took an aggressive stance and attacked, which is when shit goes wrong protesting. Montreal, and Seattle come to mind. cops are all in teh wrong. sorry..they arent police officers, they are OFF DUTY RENT A PIGS. If I suffered any injury, id take action against them, not money, just a statement.

Those morons were BREAKING THE LAW. They were creating a disturbance, on PRIVATE PROPERTY. York officials asked them to leave, they didn't, so they called the cops. The cops told them to leave, they didn't, so arrests took place. This is in NO WAY AT ALL police brutality. If anything, these hippie fucktards got what they deserved.

You break the law, you pay the price.

Actually, you guys are the morons. You're just talking out of your asses. You don't know what actually happened. They didn't get beaten up? Two of them ended up in the fucking hospital. The cops asked them to disperse, and then 2 seconds later jumped the guy. They didn't give them enough time.

They didn't deserve it. The cops were in the wrong. Next time you want to judge, do a little research before you open your mouths.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Actually, you guys are the morons. You're just talking out of your asses. You don't know what actually happened. They didn't get beaten up? Two of them ended up in the fucking hospital. The cops asked them to disperse, and then 2 seconds later jumped the guy. They didn't give them enough time. They didn't deserve it. The cops were in the wrong. Next time you want to judge, do a little research before you open your mouths.

I don't know why they ended up in the hospital, because I studied those two videos as carefully as I could and didn't really see much "beating". The guy they were all focusing on seemed to only get hit a couple of times, and neither of the angles really give a clear view of how it all started. Sure, the protesters who attended the rally might *say* that the cops jumped him, but he might have also jumped the cops. As for being in the hospital, most protester types would go to the hospital for a cold.

I'm not saying that the police didn't overstep their bounds - I honestly don't know. I don't think you can really tell from the information available. Unless you've got additional sources for us?

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't know why they ended up in the hospital, because I studied those two videos as carefully as I could and didn't really see much "beating". The guy they were all focusing on seemed to only get hit a couple of times, and neither of the angles really give a clear view of how it all started. Sure, the protesters who attended the rally might *say* that the cops jumped him, but he might have also jumped the cops. As for being in the hospital, most protester types would go to the hospital for a cold. I'm not saying that the police didn't overstep their bounds - I honestly don't know. I don't think you can really tell from the information available. Unless you've got additional sources for us?

They didn't give them enough time to disperse. They used violence when it wasn't necessary. That is overstepping their bounds.

There are no "additional sources" since it's either being reported poorly or not at all in any newspaper or broadcast I've seen so far.

"Beating" is the wrong word, yes. But they definately used unnecessary force.

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Originally posted by The Highroller They didn't give them enough time to disperse. They used violence when it wasn't necessary. That is overstepping their bounds.

How do you know that though?

I understand how you're looking at - in the video, the cops are just standing there minding their own business and then suddenly go nuts. It *sorta* looks like they just started attacking people.

However, have you considered the other possibility? Considering that the cops were there since the beginning of the clip... maybe they had told people to disperse a half hour ago, radio'ed whoever was in charge to say that they weren't listening, and were essentially waiting for the command to "move in".

That may not be how it happened, but the point is, we don't know, and I think it's pointless to jump to conclusions, no matter what those conclusions are. Maybe the cops waited, maybe they didn't. Maybe the protesters crowded and attacked the cops, maybe they didn't. Maybe they used excessive force, maybe they didn't. So far, we've only seen one side of the story and even that one side is pretty sketchy to me.

you can hear them clearly say "you have to clear the area" and "give me the megaphone"

When they refused they arrested him and it looked like he was resisting arrest.

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Originally posted by DigiNut How do you know that though? I understand how you're looking at - in the video, the cops are just standing there minding their own business and then suddenly go nuts. It *sorta* looks like they just started attacking people. However, have you considered the other possibility? Considering that the cops were there since the beginning of the clip... maybe they had told people to disperse a half hour ago, radio'ed whoever was in charge to say that they weren't listening, and were essentially waiting for the command to "move in". That may not be how it happened, but the point is, we don't know, and I think it's pointless to jump to conclusions, no matter what those conclusions are. Maybe the cops waited, maybe they didn't. Maybe the protesters crowded and attacked the cops, maybe they didn't. Maybe they used excessive force, maybe they didn't. So far, we've only seen one side of the story and even that one side is pretty sketchy to me.

Again, what other sources are there? I heard details of this story from the University of Toronto Political Science Union, but obviously those details need to be taken with a grain of salt. From what I've seen and heard, they were not given enough time to disperse.

For those that that say what the cops did was justified on the other hand, you have no sources at all. Do you guys have any sources to back up the claim that they did give the protesters enough time?

So far, there are two sources that show me that they didn't.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you can hear them clearly say "you have to clear the area" and "give me the megaphone" When they refused they arrested him and it looked like he was resisting arrest.

Yea, he said "you have to clear the area" and then seconds later the cops attack. It's a protest. As soon as the cop says "you have to clear the area", everybody is not going to drop their signs and megaphones and immediately walk away. You have to give them time.

I'm all for holding peaceful protests - even if they are commie scum.

But they were creating a MAJOR disturbance in Vari Hall. They were using a EXTREMELY loud magaphone - and trust me, sound carries in Vari Hall!! They should have been outside where the sound would have been more reasonable.


Did you even stop to consider the fact that the protesters were harrassing and disturbing innocent bystanders?

The red flag in the crowd was enough to make my decision. Dirty REDS

No, I admit it, there is absolutely no hard evidence that the cops acted in good faith. But I also see no *hard* evidence that they used excessive force.

I don't know why I'm repeating this, but again, I'm not on the cops side, I just don't think there's adequate evidence on *either* side to blame anyone specifically. I don't think what the cops did was necessarily justified - I don't even really know what they did!

However, if you still think that the evidence points to police brutality, then my question to you is, why were the cops there since the beginning of the clip? I mean, they were just standing around - they must have been standing around for a reason - hence my suggestion that maybe they told people to leave beforehand.

I'd like to see the WHOLE clip, personally. It's blatantly obvious that these two were cut from longer videos. I'll bet there's a lot more useful information to be had in the minutes BEFORE the incident than there is during the incident itself.

im a york student and there is a couple of things that none of you have mentioned which are very relevant

#1 - 650 students were disrupted by this and a midterm had to be cancelled due to the LOUD protest using MEGAPHONES after a member of the offending group (GRAIN) was already expelled from york last year for using a megaphone in the exact same place; vari hall they know theyre not allowed to use them and that it disrupts classes

#2 - they tried to grab the cops GLOCK PISTOL loaded with 14 ROUNDS of LIVE AMMUNITION now why would peace protesters need a gun?

#3 - the protesters used their megaphone as a weapon hitting two cops on the head with it and it was with enough force that the megaphone was in pieces afterwards i know because i saw it with my own two eyes

#4 - a protester poured hot coffee on a cop

#5 - york is private property and even on public property you need a permit to protest or hold such a large assembely so they were trespassers the SECOND york told them to leave NOT when the cops came think about it if there was someone in your house and you called the cops would you want them to stand around kindly asking the trespasser to please leave or would you want them to bodily haul the a$$hole out?

#6 - they are not a recognized campus group and therefore have no rights as a group on campus because after all how do we know that their membership comprises entirely or even partly of york students?

#7 - one police officer was also sent to the hospital because they were injured on duty and yes they were on duty because even when you hire a police officer to monitor such events they are considered to be working overtime but are still completely under the auspices of the toronto police

#8 - (maybe most importantly) you are not allowed to protest in vari hall. ever.

as well
http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/leg...eg/presreg2.htm

III. STANDARDS OF STUDENT CONDUCT

Students may think, speak, write, create, study, learn, pursue social, cultural and other interests and associate together for all of these purposes, subject to the requirement that they respect the rights of members of the University and general communities to pursue these same freedoms and privileges. This general standard encompasses a number of more specific expectations which cannot be fully foreseen or exhaustively enumerated. By way of example, and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, students are expected:

to abide by all federal, provincial and municipal laws, so far as these are relevant to student conduct;
to refrain from conduct which harms or threatens harm to:
- the proper functioning of University programmes or activities

as i mentioned above classes and an exam had to be cancelled because of the protest i think that counts as harming the proper functioning of university programmes wouldnt you?

The cops here are way too soft. Some other places i can think off, they woulda given the crowd about 10 seconds to disperse beforin chucking a few canisters of tear gas into the crowd and then setting the dogs on their ass...i'm speaking from personal experience, and there's nothing quite like an angry k-9 running towards you through a cloud of smoke to make you think twice about your convictions.

Not to mention the exhilaration of running away before a gang of riot police storm the crowd you're in and start walloping you with sticks. LOL. Nothing like a good beating at the hands of the police to remove every inch of that psuedo-rebalion that i bet almost 75% of the protestors were feeling.

Ahhh...the memories !

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Originally posted by abort416 im a york student and there is a couple of things that none of you have mentioned which are very relevant #1 - 650 students were disrupted by this and a midterm had to be cancelled due to the LOUD protest using MEGAPHONES after a member of the offending group (GRAIN) was already expelled from york last year for using a megaphone in the exact same place; vari hall they know theyre not allowed to use them and that it disrupts classes #2 - they tried to grab the cops GLOCK PISTOL loaded with 14 ROUNDS of LIVE AMMUNITION now why would peace protesters need a gun? #3 - the protesters used their megaphone as a weapon hitting two cops on the head with it and it was with enough force that the megaphone was in pieces afterwards i know because i saw it with my own two eyes #4 - a protester poured hot coffee on a cop #5 - york is private property and even on public property you need a permit to protest or hold such a large assembely so they were trespassers the SECOND york told them to leave NOT when the cops came think about it if there was someone in your house and you called the cops would you want them to stand around kindly asking the trespasser to please leave or would you want them to bodily haul the a$$hole out? #6 - they are not a recognized campus group and therefore have no rights as a group on campus because after all how do we know that their membership comprises entirely or even partly of york students? #8 - one police officer was also sent to the hospital because they were injured on duty and yes they were on duty because even when you hire a police officer to monitor such events they are considered to be working overtime but are still completely under the auspices of the toronto police #9 - (maybe most importantly) you are not allowed to protest in vari hall. ever.

Where's #7?

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Originally posted by abort416 #2 - they tried to grab the cops GLOCK PISTOL loaded with 14 ROUNDS of LIVE AMMUNITION now why would peace protesters need a gun? #3 - the protesters used their megaphone as a weapon hitting two cops on the head with it and it was with enough force that the megaphone was in pieces afterwards i know because i saw it with my own two eyes

okay I was there and didn't see either... infact, if anything, it was the cop reaching for the pistol buddy.
I know that a cop was on the ground at one point, but I really think it came natural for the guy to resist arrest at a time like this where he was obviously going to be arrested either way.

You know what, even though, it's been said that the 3 guys arrested in the scene were taken to an empty lecture hall where they were beaten, plus for the ones who followed and knocked on the doors, 2 additional people were also dragged into the room.

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