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Rogers begins the rape of FIDO

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Jan. 27, 2005. 01:00 AM Rogers Wireless curbs Fido unit `Redesign' raises calling costs Two new plans starting in March TYLER HAMILTON TECHNOLOGY REPORTER Rogers Wireless Inc. has put Fido on a shorter leash less than three months after acquiring its master, Microcell Telecommunications Inc., by upping the cost, capping the talk time and shrinking the coverage of its "unlimited" CityFido plan. Analysts said the changes, what Rogers is calling a "redesign," signal that competition in Canada's wireless industry is beginning to cool off as the three service providers left in the market put more emphasis on profits than subscriber growth. The situation stands in contrast with the U.S. market, where wireless plans generally offer more value for less money. "The bad thing about all of this is we're going to get back to where the carriers are very conservative," said Mark Quigley, Canadian managing director for the Yankee Group, a technology research firm. "The Canadian carriers definitely have not been as aggressive on the price side as they have been in the U.S. market. From a consumer's perspective it certainly is a shot." CityFido created a stir when it was first introduced because it offered unlimited local calls for just $45, including the $6.95 monthly system access fee its rivals routinely charge. Montreal-based Microcell promoted the controversial plan as a replacement for traditional local-phone services provided by Telus Corp. and Bell Canada. When it was introduced in Vancouver in late 2003 and in Toronto last May, the flat-rate plan sparked pricing battles in each market as Bell and Telus moved to defend their respective turfs. "What CityFido was trying to do was get rid of that local phone," said Brian Sharwood, a telecom analyst with the Seaboard Group in Toronto. "It was saying to people, `Why are you wasting that money on Bell?'" After Rogers acquired Microcell last fall to become the country's largest wireless provider, it surprised analysts by going ahead with the launch of CityFido in Montreal. It did, however, slightly increase the monthly cost and hinted that bigger changes were likely to come. Beginning March 1, the redesigned CityFido will be sold as two plans, both "smaller in size and more urban-focused," said Rogers. The first offers 750 minutes for $45 a month; the second offers 1,500 minutes for $65. Each plan's local coverage area has been greatly reduced, and calls made outside the local zone will cost 50 cents a minute. "It's pricey," said Sharwood, pointing out that the 50 cent a minute charge for calls outside the local calling zone harkens back to cellular prices of the late 1980s and those large bricklike phones. "And it's nice to know they understand urban lifestyle needs. Apparently those needs were not met by an unlimited plan." Rogers said the system access fee, local number portability, as well as call waiting, call forwarding and conference call services will continue to be included in both plans. Calls that exceed minute caps will cost an additional 30 cents a minute. Existing CityFido customers will be protected from the changes for a year or until the end of their service agreements, Rogers said. Quigley said the decision, while it makes good business sense for Rogers and its shareholders, is going to anger many CityFido subscribers who, after the effort of liberating themselves from their local phone company, will face paying more or going back to Bell. Analysts also pointed out that the changes benefit Virgin Mobile Canada, which is planning to launch mobile phone services any week now and is expected to aggressively target disgruntled wireless users. "This will fall into their hands," said Sharwood. "They'll be like, `You've been lied to again, come to us.' " Additional articles by Tyler Hamilton

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...tacodalogin=yes


interesting to see how this turns out for 'competition'.. let's hope Virgin Mobile can add back the competitive pricing again when they come around.. it's just too bad they're on a CDMA network instead

My cellphone contract is going to come to an end in march. I'm uncertain as to whether I will continue using a cell phone. It's been 2 years and prices are exactly the same. I really can't justify paying ~$50/month for something I barely even use that much. I would use it a lot more if day time rates weren't so insane. The current plans just don't fit my needs.

The Virgin deal is nothing more than a re-sale deal, I wouldn't expect anything interesting (other than hardware) - Bell isn't going to let a re-seller under-cut them by too much.

Is CityFido still available in it's current form, or has that been kyboshed? I need to get some mobile service setup (not for me), was hoping to get onto the cityfido (before it's gone).

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Originally posted by dEsidEL interesting to see how this turns out for 'competition'.. let's hope Virgin Mobile can add back the competitive pricing again when they come around.. it's just too bad they're on a CDMA network instead [/color]

Why would they be any more competitively priced than the existing providers? Virgin is not setting up their own network... they're only buying time / space off the Bell Mobility network. Why would Bell allow someone to use their own network and significantly undercut their own prices in the process?

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poor babies!

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Why would they be any more competitively priced than the existing providers? Virgin is not setting up their own network... they're only buying time / space off the Bell Mobility network. Why would Bell allow someone to use their own network and significantly undercut their own prices in the process?

they may be more competitively priced because of their target market, but i don't know whether that's going to be the case for sure which is why i said "let's hope"..

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The Virgin deal is nothing more than a re-sale deal, I wouldn't expect anything interesting (other than hardware) - Bell isn't going to let a re-seller under-cut them by too much. Is CityFido still available in it's current form, or has that been kyboshed? I need to get some mobile service setup (not for me), was hoping to get onto the cityfido (before it's gone).

CityFido is still available in it's existing format until March 1st, at which point new users will have to go on the new plans. I do believe the actual "City" area where you get unlimited calls is being scaled back though. I seem to recall reading it will essentially only be in the 416 area code.

Once on the "existing" CityFido plan, you'll be grandfathered for 12 months at which point you either have to switch to the new plans, or I believe they are keeping the option open for you to maintain the existing plans provided that you continue to sign up for long-term contracts rather than go month-to-month.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The Virgin deal is nothing more than a re-sale deal, I wouldn't expect anything interesting (other than hardware) - Bell isn't going to let a re-seller under-cut them by too much.

and because of this, i don't have a lot of confidence that they will either.. which is why i was against the Rogers-FIDO takeover.. but ultimately time will tell how consumers will be affected by this..

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Is CityFido still available in it's current form, or has that been kyboshed? I need to get some mobile service setup (not for me), was hoping to get onto the cityfido (before it's gone).

CityFido is no longer available in it's current form.. as of January 12th, 2005 - Rogers decided to reinstate the $6.95 system access fee back into the plan. If you were already on it, then u'd still be exempt from it until your contract is up.

the plan will eventually be changed altogether and the service level reduced as per the article that i posted above..

it might be still worthwhile getting on it , but it was a far better deal when it was being managed solely by Fido (since users can't roam on the Rogers network on CityFido anyway and were paying far less for the service at the time).

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Once on the "existing" CityFido plan, you'll be grandfathered for 12 months at which point you either have to switch to the new plans, or I believe they are keeping the option open for you to maintain the existing plans provided that you continue to sign up for long-term contracts rather than go month-to-month.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL CityFido is no longer available in it's current form.. as of January 12th, 2005 - Rogers decided to reinstate the $6.95 system access fee back into the plan. If you were already on it, then u'd still be exempt from it until your contract is up.

This is good news.

There is still time to sign-up for the CityFido (+ $7 access fee) and then maintain the current service (NOT post March 1 service) for the next 12 months - right?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL CityFido is no longer available in it's current form.. as of January 12th, 2005 - Rogers decided to reinstate the $6.95 system access fee back into the plan. If you were already on it, then u'd still be exempt from it until your contract is up.

This isn't a huge change though... apparently there was a $50 "management fee" that you paid once a year with City Fido... essentially an annual system access fee. Switching to the $6.95 / month just means an extra $30 or so a year. Sure it's more, but it's not like you weren't paying a substantial chunk of that in the first place.

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Originally posted by baystreetboi This isn't a huge change though... apparently there was a $50 "management fee" that you paid once a year with City Fido... essentially an annual system access fee. Switching to the $6.95 / month just means an extra $30 or so a year. Sure it's more, but it's not like you weren't paying a substantial chunk of that in the first place.

that's true, but the $50 was a one time activiation fee.. thereafter no other maintenance fee was necessary .. unlike the $6.95 which is charged monthly

atleast the people who were originally on it still won't have to pay that fee.. atleast upto the end of the current contract

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker This is good news.

how is that good ? $50 (one-time) vs. $6.95 monthly ?

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There is still time to sign-up for the CityFido (+ $7 access fee) and then maintain the current service (NOT post March 1 service) for the next 12 months - right?

yeah there's time .. if you sign up before March 1st, 2005 i believe..

this is what it says on the Fido site:

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City Fido as of March 1, 2005 On January 26, 2005, Fido announced a number of changes to its City Fido service that will come into effect on March 1, 2005. The new City Fido offered as of March 1 will combine a significant number of anytime minutes (750 or 1,500) within a more urban-centric zone that covers the core city areas of Vancouver, Toronto and Montr�al. It is designed for city life and provides all the minutes most urbanites need to enjoy an active, urban lifestyle within the City zone�with the simplicity of one phone, one number, one bill. Existing City Fido customers and those who subscribe prior to March 1, 2005 will continue to receive the unlimited usage and City zones they initially subscribed to for at least one year. Those who opt for a Fido Agreement will continue to maintain their original service as long as they continue to renew their Agreement every two years. More information on the new City Fido options will be available on this site starting on March 1, 2005.

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http://www.fido.ca/portal/en/packag.../cityfido.shtml

Good or not, the CityFido plan as it current is / was was not sustainable. Microcell was blowing their financial brains out by offering it, hence the reason they were a candidate for a takeover. They were losing more than $10 million a quarter.

It was inevitable that they were either going to be bought out or be on the verge of bankruptcy (for the 2nd time in 2-3 years), and so, the plan would have to change.

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Good or not, the CityFido plan as it current is / was was not sustainable. Microcell was blowing their financial brains out by offering it, hence the reason they were a candidate for a takeover. They were losing more than $10 million a quarter. It was inevitable that they were either going to be bought out or be on the verge of bankruptcy (for the 2nd time in 2-3 years), and so, the plan would have to change.

when they initially launched CityFido in Vancouver they were actually showing some promising subscribership even if their RPU was low .. personally i would hav liked to see if they might hav been able to turn it around for once , or atleast allow some foreign carrier to come in and take them over rather than an existing carrier

but now with this .. who knows if things will ever change in Canada

Bottom line, the Canadian Mobile market sucks for consumers, and won't get any better until the market is opened up to non-canadian companies.

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Originally posted by tw1tch Bottom line, the Canadian Mobile market sucks for consumers, and won't get any better until the market is opened up to non-canadian companies.

What makes it so bad? I just did a search for rates on Verizon, Cingular and T-Mobile for Buffalo... none of them appear to offer any significantly cheaper plans compared to what you can get here in Canada when you take exchange into account.

Is it the lack of choice? The US is about 10x our size, yet they only have about 5-6 real "national" cell phone companies, so having even just 3 here isn't all that bad.

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Originally posted by baystreetboi What makes it so bad? I just did a search for rates on Verizon, Cingular and T-Mobile for Buffalo... none of them appear to offer any significantly cheaper plans compared to what you can get here in Canada when you take exchange into account. Is it the lack of choice? The US is about 10x our size, yet they only have about 5-6 real "national" cell phone companies, so having even just 3 here isn't all that bad.

You have the good old CRTC to thank for that, which "protects" Canadian monopolies like Bell and Rogers from those "greedy" U.S. competitors.

It's not just wireless - the whole Canadian telecom market sucks. High-speed internet is another example.

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Originally posted by DigiNut You have the good old CRTC to thank for that, which "protects" Canadian monopolies like Bell and Rogers from those "greedy" U.S. competitors. It's not just wireless - the whole Canadian telecom market sucks. High-speed internet is another example.

i really hate that law they hav in place to protect the telecom market from foreign ownership .. what's the point if existing Canadian carriers are only trying to maintain the status quo

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i really hate that law they hav in place to protect the telecom market from foreign ownership .. what's the point if existing Canadian carriers are only trying to maintain the status quo

The point is several million dollars in bribes from Bell and Rogers.

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Originally posted by DigiNut The point is several million dollars in bribes from Bell and Rogers.

such a Shadowolf thing to say !

fuckin rodgers ****s....damn them!!

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Originally posted by trancechaos fuckin rodgers ****s.

****master(s).

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Originally posted by dEsidEL such a Shadowolf thing to say !

Actually there are well-documented connections between the head honchos at the CRTC and the telecom giants like Bell and Rogers. Of course that doesn't *necessarily* mean there are bribes, but come on...

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Originally posted by The Highroller My cellphone contract is going to come to an end in march. I'm uncertain as to whether I will continue using a cell phone. It's been 2 years and prices are exactly the same. I really can't justify paying ~$50/month for something I barely even use that much. I would use it a lot more if day time rates weren't so insane. The current plans just don't fit my needs.

Go with pre-paid then.

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