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The Triumph of the East
By Anthony Browne
The Guardian | January 27, 2005

Islam really does want to conquer the world. That�s because Muslims, unlike many Christians, actually believe they are right, and that their religion is the path to salvation for all

A year ago I had lunch with an eminent figure who asked if I thought she was mad. �No,� I said politely, while thinking, �Yup.� She had said she thought there was a secret plot by Muslims to take over the West. I have never been into conspiracy theories, and this one was definitely of the little-green-men variety. It is the sort of thing BNP thugs claim to justify their racial hatred.

Obviously, we all know about Osama bin Laden�s ambitions. And we are all aware of the loons of al-Muhajiroun waving placards saying �Islam is the future of Britain�. But these are all on the extremist fringe, representative of no one but themselves. Surely no one in Islam takes this sort of thing seriously? I started surfing the Islamic media.

Take Dr Al-Qaradawi, the controversial Egyptian imam who was recently fawned over by the Mayor of London even though he promotes the execution of homosexuals, the right of men to indulge in domestic violence, and the murder of innocent Jews. During the brouhaha it went unnoticed that he also wants to conquer Europe. Don�t take my word for it, just listen to him on his popular al-Jazeera TV show, Sharia and Life.
�Islam will return to Europe. The conquest need not necessarily be by the sword. Perhaps we will conquer these lands without armies. We want an army of preachers and teachers who will present Islam in all languages and in all dialects,� he broadcast in 1999, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, which translates his programmes. On another programme he declared, �Europe will see that it suffers from a materialist culture, and it will seek a way out, it will seek a lifeboat. It will seek no life-saver but the message of Islam.�

Far from being on the fringe, his immensely popular programmes are watched by millions across the Middle East and Europe. The BBC cooed that he has �star� status among the world�s Muslims.

Dr Al-Qaradawi, who is based in Qatar, is also the spiritual guide of the hardline Muslim Brotherhood, which is growing across Europe, and whose leader Muhammad Mahdi Othman �Akef declared recently, �I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission.�

In the most sacred mosque in Islam, Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Sudais of the Grand Mosque in Mecca uses his sermons to call for Jews to be �annihilated� and to urge the overthrow of Western civilisation. �The most noble civilisation ever known to mankind is our Islamic civilisation. Today, Western civilisation is nothing more than the product of its encounter with our Islamic civilisation in Andalusia [mediaeval Spain]. The reason for [Western civilisation�s] bankruptcy is its reliance on the materialistic approach, and its detachment from religion and values. [This approach] has been one reason for the misery of the human race, for the proliferation of suicide, mental problems and for moral perversion. Only one nation is capable of resuscitating global civilisation, and that is the nation [of Islam].�

Al-Sudais is the highest imam appointed by our Saudi government ally, and his sermons are widely listened to across the Middle East. When he came to the UK in June to open the London Islamic Centre, thousands of British Muslims flocked to see him, our so-called race relations minister Fiona Mactaggart shared the platform, and Prince Charles sent a video message. He is probably the closest thing in Islam to the Pope, but I haven�t recently heard the Pope call for the overthrow of all other faiths.

Saudi Arabia, whose flag shows a sword, seems unabashed about its desire for Islam to take over the world. Its embassy in Washington recommends the home page of its Islamic affairs department, where it declares, �The Muslims are required to raise the banner of jihad in order to make the Word of Allah supreme in this world.� Saudi Arabia has used billions of its petrodollars to export its particularly harsh form of Islam, Wahabism, paying for mosques and Islamic schools across the West. About 80 per cent of the US�s mosques are thought to be under Wahabi control.

Saudi Arabia�s education ministry encourages schoolchildren to despise Christianity and Judaism. A new schoolbook in the kingdom�s curriculum tells six-year-olds: �All religions other than Islam are false.� A note for teachers says they should �ensure to explain� this point. In Egypt, the schoolbook Studies in Theology: Traditions and Morals explains that a particularly �noble� bit of the Koran is �encouraging the faithful to perform jihad in God�s cause, to behead the infidels, take them prisoner, break their power � all that in a style which contains the highest examples of urging to fight�.

A popular topic for discussion on Arabic TV channels is the best strategy for conquering the West. It seems to be agreed that since the West has overwhelming economic, military and scientific power, it could take some time, and a full frontal assault could prove counterproductive. Muslim immigration and conversion are seen as the best path.

Saudi Professor Nasser bin Suleiman al-Omar declared on al-Majd TV last month, �Islam is advancing according to a steady plan, to the point that tens of thousands of Muslims have joined the American army and Islam is the second largest religion in America. America will be destroyed. But we must be patient.�

Islam is now the second religion not just in the US but in Europe and Australia. Europe has 15 million Muslims, accounting for one in ten of the population in France, where the government now estimates 50,000 Christians are converting to Islam every year. In Brussels, Mohammed has been the most popular name for boy babies for the last four years. In Britain, attendance at mosques is now higher than it is in the Church of England.

Al-Qa�eda is criticised for being impatient, and waking the West up. Saudi preacher Sheikh Said al-Qahtani said on the Iqraa TV satellite channel, �We did not occupy the US, with eight million Muslims, using bombings. Had we been patient and let time take its course, instead of the eight million there could have been 80 million [Muslims], and 50 years later perhaps the US would have become Muslim.�

It is difficult to brush this off as an aberration of Islam, which is normally just tickety-boo letting the rest of the world indulge in its false beliefs. Dr Zaki Badawi, the moderate former director of the Islamic Cultural Centre in London, admitted, �Islam endeavours to expand in Britain. Islam is a universal religion. It aims to bring its message to all corners of the earth. It hopes that one day the whole of humanity will be one Muslim community.�

In Muslim tradition, the world is divided into Dar al-Islam, where Muslims rule, and Dar al-Harb, the �field of war� where the infidels live. �The presumption is that the duty of jihad will continue, interrupted only by truces, until all the world either adopts the Muslim faith or submits to Muslim rule,� wrote Professor Bernard Lewis in his bestseller The Crisis of Islam.�

The first jihad was in ad 630, when Mohammed led his army to conquer Mecca. He made a prediction that Islam would conquer the two most powerful Christian centres at the time, Constantinople and Rome. Within 100 years of his death, Muslim armies had conquered the previously Christian provinces of Syria, Palestine, Egypt and the rest of North Africa, as well as Spain, Portugal and southern Italy, until they were stopped at Poitiers in central France in ad 732. Muslim armies overthrew the ancient Zoroastrian empire of Persia, and conquered much of central Asia and Hindu India.

Ibn Warraq, a Pakistani who lost his Islamic faith, wrote in his book Why I am not a Muslim, �Although Europeans are constantly castigated for having imposed their insidious decadent values, culture and language on the Third World, no one cares to point out that Islam colonised lands that were the homes of advanced and ancient civilisations.�

It took 700 years for the Spanish to get their country back in the prolonged �Reconquista�. In the meantime the Turks, a central Asian people, had been converted to Islam and had conquered the ancient Christian land of Anatolia (now called Turkey). In 1453 they captured Constantinople � fulfilling Mohammed�s first prediction � which was the centre of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The glorious Hagia Sophia, which had been one of the most important churches in Christendom for nearly 1,000 years after it was built in ad 537, was turned into a mosque, and minarets were added. The Turks went on to occupy Greece and much of the Balkans for four centuries, turning the Parthenon into a mosque and besieging Vienna, before retreating as their power waned.

In the Middle East, there are regular calls for Mohammed�s second prediction to come true. Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd al-Rahman al-�Arifi, imam of the mosque of the Saudi government�s King Fahd Defence Academy, wrote recently, �We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it.�

Not all conversion has been by the sword. Muslim traders peaceably converted Indonesia, now the most populous Islamic nation. But nor have the conquests stopped. Islam has continued spreading in sub-Saharan Africa, most notably in Nigeria and Sudan. Abyssinia � Ethiopia � is an ancient Christian land where Muslims have come to outnumber Christians only in the last 100 years. Just 50 years ago, Lebanon was still predominantly Christian; it is now predominantly Muslim.

Of course, Christianity has been just as much a conquering religion. Spanish armies ruthlessly destroyed ancient civilisations in Central and South America to spread the message of love. Christians colonised the Americas and Australia, committing genocide as they went, while missionaries such as Livingstone converted most of Africa.

But the difference is that Christendom has � by and large � stopped conquering and converting, and indeed in Europe simply stopped believing. Even President Bush�s most trenchant critics don�t believe he conquered Afghanistan and Iraq to spread the word of Jesus. It is ironic that by deposing Saddam, who ran the most secular of Arab regimes, the US actually transferred power to the imams.

I believe in a free market in religions, and it is inevitable that if you believe your religion is true, then you believe others are false. But this market is seriously rigged. In Saudi Arabia the government bans all churches, while in Europe governments pay to build Islamic cultural centres. While in many Islamic countries preaching Christianity is banned, in Western Christian countries the right to preach Islam is enshrined in law. Christians are free to convert to Islam, while Muslims who convert to Christianity can expect either death threats or a death sentence. The Pope keeps apologising for the Crusades (even though they were just attempts to get back former Christian lands) while his opposite numbers call for the overthrow of Christendom.

In Christian countries, those who warn about Islamification, such as the film star Brigitte Bardot, are prosecuted, while in Muslim countries those who call for the Islamification of the world are turned into TV celebrities. In the West, schools teach comparative religion, while in Muslim countries schools teach that Islam is the only true faith. David Blunkett in effect wants to ban criticism of Islam, a protection not enjoyed by Christianity in Muslim countries. Millions of Muslims move to Christian countries, but virtually no Christians move to Muslim ones.

In the last century some Christians justified the persecution and mass murder of Jews by claiming that Jews wanted to take over the world. But these fascist fantasies were based on deliberate lies, such as the notorious fake book The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Now, many in the Muslim world are open about their desire for Islam to conquer the West. "

Anthony Browne is Europe correspondent for the Times.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Islam really does want to conquer the world.

Unlike Christianity. In fact, Catholic doesn't come from the word "universal" in Greek.

lol what a funny title. and what's with the huge fonts

and here i am worrying about the christians taking over.

Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

You know what? A great influx of Muslims would be culturally benefical to Europe (in fact, this is true to almost every "cultural fusion"). The legacy left in countries like Portugal and Spain is sure impressive.

Re: Muslim invasion of Europe - Triumph of the East

I can't see. Can you make it bigger?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf That�s because Muslims, unlike many Christians, actually believe they are right, and that their religion is the path to salvation for all

so whats the whole christian belive of "if you dont follow or stupid rules your going to burn in hell for eternity about"?

Re: Keep banging in the walls of fortress Europe!

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Originally posted by Lira The legacy left in countries like Portugal and Spain is sure impressive.

Stolen from the Romans.

Islam is one of the "youngest" religions. And as such, to survive it must use whatever means are necessary and the means are fear - just like always. Christianity did the same thing when it was starting out. Crussades were not about re-occupying formerly Christian lands, this is bullshit.

Israel was not christian for thousands of years! Crussaders came to the "Land of Christ" to claim it as theirs, destroyed temples, killed jews - all in the name of "Our Lord".

What about the Inquisition in 1400's??? What was that about? Spreading the message of love through torture, murder, expulsion, robbery?

Please, Islam is just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Why Islam is the leading religion in US Prisons???? Because if you don't convert, they rape your infidel ass until you're ready for some protection. When you're one of Islam's own, they will protect you and you won't get violated no more.

Please, get real.

The only comforting fact here is that at least the world is not so worried about the Jews taking over the world anymore.


Here's the only thing Cyrus King and I seem to agree on:

ALL FORMS OF RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM AND EXTREMISM IS IDIOTIC AND MUST BE ERADICATED!

QUITE HONESTLY, A LITTLE "CLEAN UP JOB" IN THE WORLD TO WASH AWAY ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA... MAYBE SOME SERIOUS CLENSING IS IN ORDER??? NO? JUST A THOUGHT

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YUSUFALI: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
PICKTHAL: Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.
SHAKIR: Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Stolen from the Romans.

Sure, the mosques, the scientific legacy, farming techniques, and the words introduced to the Portuguese language were indeed stolen from the Romans. In fact, F�tima is not an Arab word (for example, and this is a word you ought to know if you're a Christian) and this is an example of the quintessential Roman arquitecture:




This is in Spain, by the way. It's a shame Christian destroyed many buildings left by the Moors


edit: By the way, back in the time when the Moors were in the Iberian peninsula, muslims, christians and jews got along quite well

Romanesque style:




Hagia Sofia:

http://www.patriarchate.org/ecumeni...gia_sophia.html

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On Tuesday, May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet the Conqueror entered the vanquished city late in the afternoon and rode to Hagia Sophia. He was amazed at its beauty and decided to convert the Cathedral into his imperial mosque.

edit: you fail to mention the horror inflicted on the existing kingdoms in modern France and Spain by the invading Muslim hordes.

You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you as you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you.


This is what Muslims do to Buddhists:

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A Taliban fighter sits on a piece of rubble in front of one of the demolished statues in Bamiyan in this file photo taken on March 26, 2001. REUTERS/Sayed Salahuddin/File Photo

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you and you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you.

You, my friend, are a psychologist's wet dream.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you and you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you. This is what Muslims do to Buddhists: [img]http://www.spongobongo.com/em/Bij9057.jpg[img] [img]http://www.spongobongo.com/em/Bij9058.jpg[img]

I'm not sure whether you realised this but, you do know the statue was destroyed because it was an image, right?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Romanesque style: [img]http://www.gradst.hr/library/books/UDK-prinove-knjiga/romanesque.jpg[img] Hagia Sofia: [url]http://www.patriarchate.org/ecumenical_patriarchate/chapter_4/html/hagia_sophia.html[url] edit: you fail to mention the horror inflicted on the existing kingdoms in modern France and Spain by the invading Muslim hordes.

Beautiful example of romanesque. However, Romanesque's archs tends to be extremely simpler than the one you can see in the mosque (and archs have been used by the arabs for quite a while as you can see here and here) and, if you see the outside:



Doesn't look very Roman, does it? Yes, they didn't "steal" anything (or "destroy", for that matter): not only they preserved but they also learned. As for Sancta Sophia, they didn't destroy it, so what's the problem, exactly?

I'm going to take a nap, I'll talk about the rest later.

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Originally posted by Renegade You, my friend, are a psychologist's wet dream.

Well, you can't really deny that muslims did bring a lot of good things to Europe, starting with arabic numbers, alchemy, optics...overall the muslim world wasn't that bad until the arrival of the Turks.

Nowadays, however, the roles are pretty much reversed. And the west is really not doing much to help out the arabic world. Because really, the only way to make those people less fundamentalist oriented is to educate them (or perhaps install a soviet-like government and make it last for a 100 years or so). Everything else, like military actions may subdue them, but will not change their ways of thinking, infact it may as well result in an additional radicalization of their ideas. Unfortunately, the US especially excelles at that sort of a scenario. Nevertheless, once (if) those people ever get loose from religious fundamentalism, they will no longer have the need to migrate to Europe, and those that will migrate will not pose any sort of problem, infact they will prove to be a beneficial addition to the society.

well and you can consider a mass migration to the West as a part of jihad, but the fact of the matter is, many of the children of those that migrate become less of their fathers and more of the West.

of course, they may never be seen in equal footing as the usual Westerners, but nonetheless the more exposure - the less likely they are to want to destroy the life they know|

OMG this guy copied me!!!!!!!111111

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwat...ives/004892.php

The Return of the Ents

A new essay by Wolfgang Bruno:

The always eminent writer and historian Victor Davis Hanson compares modern Europe to the Middle Earth of J.R.R. Tolkien�s epic �The Lord of the Rings�, recently turned into one of the most successful movie trilogies in history by New Zealand director Peter Jackson. Like the inhabitants of Tolkien�s imaginary world, Europeans are accustomed to living in peace and prosperity. But their sedate way of life is starting to come under threat, although not all of them have noticed it yet. The shadow of an ancient foe is rising in the East, an enemy that has not threatened us for so long that we had almost forgotten about it, and how dangerous it can be.

Memories of past battles have become dim, to the point where we treat them almost as Fairytales. The enemy was defeated last time, but not destroyed. It has been lying low since then, retreated into its heartland and waited for the next opportunity to strike. And now, it senses weakness.

The One Ring, the Ring of Power, which triggers a major war deciding the future of freedom in Middle Earth, is a great analogy for Islam. Many men have become enticed by the undeniable power of the Ring, hoping to use it for their own gain in the vain belief that they can control it. But the Ring of Power has a will of its own, and is inherently evil. It cannot be used for anything good. It will slowly corrupt the ones using it, replacing whatever was noble and positive with darkness, leaving nothing but an empty shell. Like the Nazg�l or Ring Wraiths, once great kings of men, now soulless tools at the hands of evil.

A long time ago, the area from Egypt via Syria to Iraq, Iran and Pakistan was the seat of the earliest civilizations known to man. Today, Islam has long since consumed these vibrant cultures, and replaced them with Islamic backwardness, terrorism and hate, with no other purpose in life than to be at the service of the Ummah. This is the fate of France, too, unless the French wake up and change their ways. The French elite are on an insane quest: The primary enemy for them is not Islam, but the Anglo-American rivals they have been fighting a loosing battle for supremacy against since the age of Napoleon, if not before. They think they can ride the tiger, and �use� Islam to regain some of their former glory. The equivalent of Saruman, the traitorous wizard, would have to be Jacques Chirac and the French political elite behind the Eurabia project. They are the enemy within, pretending to be on our side while having joined the forces of darkness a long time ago, and they may drag others with them when they fall.

Outsiders have been puzzled that a fantasy tale such as the Lord of the Rings could spellbind generation after generation. Perhaps the answer to the riddle is that despite being full of Elves, Trolls and strange beasts, it is essentially a very human story, a tale of cowardice, treachery and death, but also of hope, new beginnings and unexpected courage. Above all, it is a story about the quiet people, the little people, like the Hobbits or the Ents, suddenly rising to the occasion and showing bravery and zeal nobody had expected from them, not the least themselves. People who are ripped out of their daily lives to face a mounting evil gathering outside the gates, threatening to destroy everything they hold dear. Many of the individuals who are there to protect us and our civilization shrink in front of the challenges facing them. Some, like Saruman or the Eurabian elites, hope to increase their own power. Others, like Denethor, Steward of Gondor, are paralyzed by indecisiveness, overcome by defeatism and their own personal delusions, leaving their nations defenseless while the enemy is about to attack. Yet some, like Th�oden King of Rohan, have had blinders drawn before their eyes by the likes of Grima Wormtongue, the John Espositos, the Tariq Ramadans and the multicultural Islam-apologists of the world. They can still be redeemed in the 12th hour, and return to lead the defenses.

It is easy to watch many of our leaders fail in standing up to or even identifying our adversary, witness the sheer numerical size of the enemy, and conclude that we have lost the fight. It is also wrong. As Tolkien shows us, some of those in power will inevitably fail to handle their responsibilities. But others, who had not been taken into the calculation by either friend or foe, will rise up to the occasion at the last moment and tip the scales in favor of the forces of good. If the big people prove too small for the task at hand, then the little people will have to grow and carry the load. The real will to identify the Islamic enemy and his weak points today is not found in the media, in the overpaid think-tanks and certainly not in our �progressive� universities or among most of the politicians. It is found in small websites by ex-Muslims, such as SecularIslam.org, KnowIslam.info, FaithFreedom.org, ApostatesOfIslam.com and IslamReview.org, and some others by non-Muslims like JihadWatch.org. It is picked up and its message carried throughout the world by the blogosphere, the global community of weblogs and private websites that is increasingly asserting its influence and challenging the major networks. Big Media will have to follow their lead, or decline in trust and significance as more and more people contrast their apologist stance with better arguments and analyses given elsewhere.

It is not for us to decide the time we live in. All there is for us is to decide what to do with the time that is given to us. This task has been appointed to us. And if we do not find a way, than no one will. Perhaps it is time to throw evil back where it came from, be that the fires of Mordor or the glowing sands of Arabia. Much hangs in the balance, maybe even civilization itself. Only time will tell if we are up to the challenge.

Wolfgang Bruno is a European author, writing a book about the Internet movement of ex-Muslims. All of Bruno's essays can be republished and reproduced for free by anybody who wants to.

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Re: OMG this guy copied me!!!!!!!111111

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Like the inhabitants of Tolkien�s imaginary world, Europeans are accustomed to living in peace and prosperity.

The two world wars, the spanish civil war, the cold war and the bosnian war didn't happen too long ago

See this is one thing American culture is good for. After a couple years in America any religious fanatic will soon become so lazy they won't care about religion anymore. Not that they don't believe, they just don't care. Seeing the next episode of CSI becomes a higher priority.

Two points:

1) The Islam of today is not even close to the Islam of 50 or 500 years ago. Where once you could consider many Middle-Eastern societies enlightened, modern interpretations of the religion have stripped millions of self-autonomy and a desire for personal achievement. It's what Iran is like today versus 40 years ago - take one big jump backwards, and then do it again and again...

You can talk about historical achievements in Islamic societies, but that's not the religion that's being spread today...so it really makes no sense to equate today with the past.

2) The US can't be lumped in with Europe when you talk about Islam "conquering" the regions. You can already see the friction in Europe from the governments' inability to assimilate immigrants. Case in point: the ghettoes in Paris, Rotterdam, etc. Islam will attempt to conquer these societies because its followers have no role to play in the local culture. The US, on the other hand, does a pretty good job of integrating muslims into Western society. Plus, there are a hell of a lot less of them here than in Europe - by far.

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Originally posted by imokruok The US, on the other hand, does a pretty good job of integrating muslims into Western society.

Thats all I was saying, really.

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Originally posted by imokruok Plus, there are a hell of a lot less of them here than in Europe - by far.

Pfft. You give us any culture any society any way of living or doing something and we'll have it Americanized for you tomorrow. Even if it means dropping a bomb, sorry Iraq.

We poor the salad bowl into the melting pot and stir. Then sell it deep fried at McDonalds for $1.

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