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A staged photo in Iraq....
Anybody see anything wrong with the photo below?
Be a good TA CSI without cheating by going to the source of the photo, tell me what you think...
An Iraqi boy runs past a car just as it explodes in front of al-Nahdha High School which was scheduled to be used as a voting centre in Baghdad, January 28, 2005. Hours earlier in the same area in southern Baghdad, a car bomb exploded next to a police station, killing four Iraqi civilians, police said. REUTERS/Ali Jasim
There actually more to it than the photo, but I'll fill in the blanks a little later for the full story...
the licenses plate looks off...
yeah what is it fellow Canuck? are those Krispy Kreme donuts hes holding?
or is that Slick Willy dressed as an Arab child?|
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| Originally posted by biznology yeah what is it fellow Canuck? are those Krispy Kreme donuts hes holding? or is that Slick Willy dressed as an Arab child?| |
The headlight is on?
or the car is actually moving through fire like in a Hollywood stunt.
yep, has to be the headlights
Hmm, I think I saw a similar video where the kid was walking by and the car blew up and everybody started to run away. Yeah, it's wierd that the headlight is on, but maybe it's the light from the explosion. Or perhaps the explosion still hasn't reached the battery and electric systems of the car...if the explosive was in the back of the car, it is possible that it's burning up while the lights are still on. Just guessing though.
would you people go back to COR please
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| Originally posted by josh4 would you people go back to COR please |
I believe the problem is that the boy's shadow goes in one direction, while the shadow of the car is going in the other direction. Since there is only 1 sun, I would sport a guess that either the car or the running man have been shopped in. Additionally, if that car has exploded, I find it highly unbelievable that the headlights would still work.
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| Originally posted by Shakka I find it highly unbelievable that the headlights would still work. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yoepus: What is it about the licence plate you think is off? May I suggest looking diagnal about 1/4" up and left for one clue... |
Nice car to be blown up in Iraq. Don't know if they have very many decent rides there. Kid looks like he's heading for the hills. Other than the fancy ride, I don't see anything really out of the ordinary.
[[[smoke]]]
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| Originally posted by smokeape Nice car to be blown up in Iraq. Don't know if they have very many decent rides there. Kid looks like he's heading for the hills. Other than the fancy ride, I don't see anything really out of the ordinary. [[[smoke]]] |
Nice job on the pixelation bit Trancer-X.
I know there were ways to discredit photos but I never really knew how.
That looks like a good way to check for sure (or is that the only way?).
Shakka; I noticed the shadow thing too; good call.
Now for the rest of the story...
>>Source<<
I'm only going to source it cause it's just way too much to cut and paste...
Those are all real pictures and all real events. All taken at different times and different positions. Now if its near a school or how any people were killed who knows. What people have said about this topic is stupid.
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| Bill Hennessy said... There's something else strange about the first two pictures. They appear to have been taken within a second of each other, judging by the position of the flames and flying debris relative to the car. The 2nd photo is from a greater distance than the first, taking in a larger field of the horizon. Yet the running boy appears nowhere in the second picture. It's like that video game on bars where you have to identify what's different between two seemingly identical photos. Maybe more time lapsed betwee the two than it seems. Or maybe adding a young boy's image to the picture made it seems more frightening to the propagandists at Reuters. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Now for the rest of the story... >>Source<< |
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| Analysis: What do you see? A car on fire, apparently not close to anything flammable. We are told this is in front of a school, but we do not see the school. The fire looks like petrol, probably in cans in the back of the vehicle, set off with an incendiary WP shell (White Phosphorus - the white smoke and sparks). There are people running, but they are not leaning at the angle of people who're running in a hurry. There are some people standing around in the background at what would be danger-close distance for shrapnel even from a single 152mm HE shell. You can see a second photographer in one of the pictures. The stories are inconsistent: one says "flames engulf a car following a nearby car bomb blast in another vehicle", another says "a car just as it explodes". The key and blindingly obvious point: there are at least three photojournalists from different outfits there exactly at the time it goes off! This is not a lucky coincidence. The pictures are clearly taken less than a minute after the original explosion and less than a minute apart. Also: all of the photographers are stringers, not regular staff photographers. Interpretation: One, this was staged, the particulars of the bomb ensure it will be ineffective and safe from the distance from which it was photographed, but visually spectacular. The people running are most likely also staged. Two, the reporters were invited to see it. Three, they knew it was staged. My only question: who are these photographers - Ali Jasim, Ali Al-Saadi and Khalid Mohammed - really working for? |
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| Alan said... I've just blogged a detailed analysis of the images. http://alankhenderson.blogspot.com/...697964656763451 Things to look for: 1. Photo 3 is clearly a closeup of Photo 4. Both news story descriptions say the car blew up in front of a school; it could be two reports of the same explosion. 2. IT'S THE SAME MODEL CAR IN EACH PIC! 3. Blow up the boy's head by 300% and look at his ear and cheekbone. Is that a blemish, or a honeybun glued to his cheek, or what? |
Good job Trancer-X; I nominate you for TA CSI lol
The strange part of this whole thing is, why would they do something like this at all???
Did they collaborate for cash with each other or were they given an agenda to fill? 
That pic does look a little odd, with the car having its headlights on and the front looking brand new. That being said, there are pictures of the rubble of the aftermath of that particular incident and it is fact that a lot of explosions have resulted in the lead-up to the election. I don't think it can be concluded that this is definitely fake & I'd be hard pressed to see this as some sort of media conspiracy, because there's a lot of other real images out there that could be used that could be far more effective if they want to go for sensationalism.
Please, thatv pictures's nothing. I can top it below. Remember that gem? Now there's a staged picture with consequences.
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| Originally posted by Spacey Orange Please, thatv pictures's nothing. I can top it below. Remember that gem? Now there's a staged picture with consequences. |
Haha good one about that last pic.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure now that the picture the guy talks about is taken from that short clip I've seen on Euronews, especially because he himself says so. In other words, the picture itself isn't staged. Now, as for having several camera crews around the car, that is kinda odd a bit, but maybe it's because the bomb was detonated somewhere where journalists have already gathered up earlier for some other reason. Even if it was a staged explosion, it was still an explosion. The boy in the pic wasn't digitally inserted later, because I've seen a similar looking person running around on the Euronews video.
Now, in the video, the explosion took out only the back part of the car, so it is possible that the headlights stayed on, because the car battery is in the front. Later it was reported that the explosion was real, and the car was shot by the Iraqi police before it could have reached school. That's why there were two explosions, the first one was the fuel tank hit by gunshots, and the second one was the explosive. As the author himself later admits:
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UPDATE: The bottom line: there are two troubling aspects of this. One, why are all of those reporters there at the exact right time and place? Two, what exactly is this? Whatever it is, clearly it is not a regular car bomb. It may be a made-for-TV fire-bomb, or it may be a vehicle that caught on fire as a result of shots fired by police, and in the latter case it may or may not have been carrying additional flammables; or it may be a few other things. In any case this is not what it is represented as in the captions, namely a car-bomb attack on the nearby school used as a polling center. All of the possible explanations for what you see require bogosity, the only question is what particular kind. |
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| Fox news had the sequence on the TV tonight. FNC said the Iraq police had shot up the car and stopped it -- the car caught fire -- then apparently a bomb inside went off. When the camera pulled back, the police with their guns raised were in the near filed framing -- as if they had been shooting at the car. |
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