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Posted by djeternal on Jan-30-2005 05:43:

$2000 computer

I got a budget of $2000 for a new computer to produce with. Im going with a windows pc. I plan on getting an apple later on in a few years. But for right now its windows. Can someone help me out with wat parts are good for a comp like this. Thanks in advance.


Posted by trancintaiwan on Jan-30-2005 10:58:

hey, without a doubt if your going for a pc, go for an amd athlon 64. tops any intel on the market easily. honestly, even if you load up your computer, you can still easily stay below the 2000 dollar limit. here's an idea of what you should get

amd athlon 64 3500+ 90nm socket 939 retail ($285)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc...uct_Code=120429
(best processor for the price)

msi k8n neo2 platinum motherboard socket 939 ($139)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-130-468&depa=1
(amazing motherboard, u'll get firewire, usbs, everything is pretty much plug and play)

silverstone temjin black full tower case "sst-tj06b-w" (139.99)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-163-035&depa=1
(case is up to u, but this is an excellent choice)

pdp systems memory dual channel ddr pc-3200 2x512 mb ($177.91)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-220-006&depa=1
(this is 1 gig of very good ram, extremely low latencies. if u want more than 1 gig, i suggest just buy double of this. i wouldn't suggest getting the 1 gig sticks of ram because they don't necessarily have the lowest latencies and they cost a shitload more. honestly though, i only have 1 gig and my computer handles logic fine.)

rosewill 500w black powersupply ($55.49)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-182-002&depa=1

hitachi 250gb 7200rpm sata harddrive ($126.99)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-145-071&depa=1
(crazy fast harddrive, plenty of space, if u want even more get 2 of these =P)

sony internal 16x dvd+/-rw/cd-r+/rw ($60.50)
(these things are cheap now, basically all in one package)

radeon 9800se video card ($132.00)
good video card for the price if u want something for ur graphics or games. not the best, but good enough for most uses.

m-audio firewire audiophile digital audio interface ($179.88)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3958811
(soundcard is up to u but i like this one)

lets say u get the minimum of everything i say, that still only totals up to about $1296.76. lets just say add the shipping costs etc.. up to about $1400 or so. that leaves you room to get a faster cpu instead of the 3500+. i personally just built a computer with that chip and i think that is the best chip for the price. above that would be the 3800+ or the 4000+ which is the same as the fx-53. i think its a complete waste to pay up to the 4000+ or the fx-55 but if thats what you want go for it. do NOT get a socket 754 cpu. get only the socket 939's. the 3800+ will go up to about $630. 400 dollars more which is not worth it at all imo. 4000+ goes up to 800 dollars i believe. i personally would take the leftoever 600 dollars to get more ram, (if you would like) more hard drive space, more expensive/different case, better soundcard, or some nice studio monitors (i recommend the krk rokit rp8's, these things sound amazing). basically you can't go wrong with the computer parts i recommended. those are almost the exact same parts i just built my computer with and i gotta say, i can run logic with tons of vst's beautifully with no problem. you will be amazed at how fast the 3500+ is.

or you could just go out and get the cheapest Dual 1.8ghz PowerMac G5 for 2 grand and it'll solve all your problems.... . thats what i personally woulda done if i had more money, but pc's always hold a special place in my heart because of video games .

gluck w/ ur new computer


Posted by NoisyNeil on Jan-30-2005 11:04:

wrong forum? > Production Studio
Good luck with finding a new pc dude!


Posted by Alekos on Jan-30-2005 20:05:

Good luck wasting $2000 on a PC (Piece of Crap) I wish I had $2000 to throw away !
Anyway
Get a Dell !!


Posted by trancintaiwan on Jan-30-2005 20:26:

lol.. i love when people think they know everything about computers.. it cracks me up.


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-31-2005 00:46:

o gosh u must be out of ur mind if ur gonna WASTE, yes WASTE 2000 DOLLARS ON A PC??????? are u nuts! today you can buy top of the line pc for 900 bucks !!!!!! that leaves u with 1100 for spending on hardware and speakers and such! you do the math, u want a "good" computer or u want a NASA compputer? are u flying to the moon or something?

u dont need a 2000$ pc to produce..... thats just my opinion

PS: 19 Inch flat screen INCLUDED!


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on Jan-31-2005 01:12:

2 screens are better than 1 especially when it comes to music production.


Posted by Sunquest on Jan-31-2005 01:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
2 screens are better than 1 especially when it comes to music production.


u can survive with 1 im using a so called 17 inch but its really 16 inch...


Posted by djeternal on Jan-31-2005 22:03:

thanks for the comments...i peronally had no idea how much it would cost, but my ceiling was $2000. Im all for computer that just gets the job done and spending the rest on monitors or other equip. Anyway...im not gonna have the full 2k until march sometime. so prices will prob drop. Thanks trancin chink for the full list, i appreciate it heavily! i'll be pm'ing later in the future to see if parts have dropped in price...and prob end up paying you for building it for me. Thats if ur up for it. thanks again every1. next time i'll post it in the right forum.


Posted by Dj Spiel on Feb-12-2005 07:22:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
lol.. i love when people think they know everything about computers.. it cracks me up.


You're right... ONLY I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

,Paul

Computer Desktop Support Manager
Anixter Center


Posted by Dj Yoel Culiner on Feb-12-2005 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
hey, without a doubt if your going for a pc, go for an amd athlon 64. tops any intel on the market easily. honestly, even if you load up your computer, you can still easily stay below the 2000 dollar limit. here's an idea of what you should get

amd athlon 64 3500+ 90nm socket 939 retail ($285)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc...uct_Code=120429
(best processor for the price)

msi k8n neo2 platinum motherboard socket 939 ($139)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-130-468&depa=1
(amazing motherboard, u'll get firewire, usbs, everything is pretty much plug and play)

silverstone temjin black full tower case "sst-tj06b-w" (139.99)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-163-035&depa=1
(case is up to u, but this is an excellent choice)

pdp systems memory dual channel ddr pc-3200 2x512 mb ($177.91)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-220-006&depa=1
(this is 1 gig of very good ram, extremely low latencies. if u want more than 1 gig, i suggest just buy double of this. i wouldn't suggest getting the 1 gig sticks of ram because they don't necessarily have the lowest latencies and they cost a shitload more. honestly though, i only have 1 gig and my computer handles logic fine.)

rosewill 500w black powersupply ($55.49)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-182-002&depa=1

hitachi 250gb 7200rpm sata harddrive ($126.99)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-145-071&depa=1
(crazy fast harddrive, plenty of space, if u want even more get 2 of these =P)

sony internal 16x dvd+/-rw/cd-r+/rw ($60.50)
(these things are cheap now, basically all in one package)

radeon 9800se video card ($132.00)
good video card for the price if u want something for ur graphics or games. not the best, but good enough for most uses.

m-audio firewire audiophile digital audio interface ($179.88)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3958811
(soundcard is up to u but i like this one)

lets say u get the minimum of everything i say, that still only totals up to about $1296.76. lets just say add the shipping costs etc.. up to about $1400 or so. that leaves you room to get a faster cpu instead of the 3500+. i personally just built a computer with that chip and i think that is the best chip for the price. above that would be the 3800+ or the 4000+ which is the same as the fx-53. i think its a complete waste to pay up to the 4000+ or the fx-55 but if thats what you want go for it. do NOT get a socket 754 cpu. get only the socket 939's. the 3800+ will go up to about $630. 400 dollars more which is not worth it at all imo. 4000+ goes up to 800 dollars i believe. i personally would take the leftoever 600 dollars to get more ram, (if you would like) more hard drive space, more expensive/different case, better soundcard, or some nice studio monitors (i recommend the krk rokit rp8's, these things sound amazing). basically you can't go wrong with the computer parts i recommended. those are almost the exact same parts i just built my computer with and i gotta say, i can run logic with tons of vst's beautifully with no problem. you will be amazed at how fast the 3500+ is.

or you could just go out and get the cheapest Dual 1.8ghz PowerMac G5 for 2 grand and it'll solve all your problems.... . thats what i personally woulda done if i had more money, but pc's always hold a special place in my heart because of video games .

gluck w/ ur new computer


I bought something like that....
GREAT PC
Couldn't ask for more


Posted by mzvirbulis on Feb-13-2005 06:53:

SHOULD HAVE BUILT THE COMPUTER HIMSELF, WOULD HAVE PAID MUCH LESS ALSO!


Posted by jupiterone on Feb-13-2005 19:06:

newegg.com
tigerdirect.com


build it.get it cheap. i absolutely hate buying company computers,they charge much more for shit. i hate them. building is better,you get what you see,no complaining.I also wouldnt spend so much money on a case...80$ tops,you dont need an amazing case for production.


Posted by Ben Brown on Feb-15-2005 16:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Spiel
You're right... ONLY I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

,Paul

Computer Desktop Support Manager
Anixter Center


Lol Desktop Support Manager

It's Nick Burns, Your Company's Computer Guy...

YOU'RE WELCOME


Posted by AaroNoct on Feb-15-2005 19:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Benjamin B
Lol Desktop Support Manager

It's Nick Burns, Your Company's Computer Guy...

YOU'RE WELCOME


hahahaha! That's great.


Posted by UphoricNitemare on Feb-15-2005 19:42:

My only advice is: don't skimp on power supply or cooling. And don't forget thermal paste!

I'm building a PC for about 600 dollars, and honestly my pIII is still holding up well at 800mhz...only problem is i can't run any good non-free vsti's.


Posted by A83 on Feb-16-2005 00:41:

Ight...I'll make up somethin for under $2000

ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-517&depa=1
$209

AMD Athlon 64 4000+, 2.4 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 64-bit Processor
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-493&depa=0
$649

x2 Crucial Ballistix 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-4000, Model BL6464Z505
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-547&depa=1
$250

Seagate 7200.8 300GB 7200RPM SATA NCQ Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-148-064&DEPA=1
$219

CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5700LE Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, AGP
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=14-145-078&DEPA=1
$97

Thermaltake K450 For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 / Athlon 64
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-055&depa=0
$30

M-Audio Delta 44 Professional 4-In/4-Out Audio Card
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-121-115&depa=0
$129

= $1538 CRAZY

Better sound card...just couldn't find one on newegg...

Case
Lights...your choice


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-16-2005 04:45:

it would be a waste of money to get the 4000+


Posted by djkoolaide on Feb-16-2005 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
radeon 9800se video card ($132.00)
good video card for the price if u want something for ur graphics or games. not the best, but good enough for most uses.


Do NOT buy SE cards. They are the worst value cards and you will seriously be getting a better card if you buy a plain 9600 (which is cheaper than a 9800SE).

Trust me, I have one I should have looked at some benchmarks before blowing my money on it.


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-16-2005 04:59:

oh oops, i'm not sure which 9800 it is then. i personally have the 9600 pro which runs pretty nice on my new amd 64


Posted by A83 on Feb-16-2005 05:01:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
it would be a waste of money to get the 4000+


Ok...find me a quad opteron 852 motherboard and 4 852 processors for less than $2000

Theres reasons for the price

Theres ALWAYS reasons for a price


Posted by A83 on Feb-16-2005 05:06:

BTW...all the brands you picked out are second hand crappy ones for about the same price

Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe <---Top of the line there
64 4000+ - Definately worth the 200 somethin extra
Crucial Ballistix PC-4000 - Awesome

Get two SLI Cards & test the benchmarks...split screen enabling one card to get the top half, one to get bottom. Benchmarks on the card = amazing

Have some pretty lights in your computer with a top quality psu
THERMALTAKE W0022 Silent Purepower 480W
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-014&depa=0


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-16-2005 05:46:

quote:
Originally posted by A83
Ok...find me a quad opteron 852 motherboard and 4 852 processors for less than $2000

Theres reasons for the price

Theres ALWAYS reasons for a price


i got my 3500+ 90nm for $259. a 4000+ costs about 800 dollars. lets see... saving around 500 dollars for a slight speed gain? if its worth it for you go ahead. and as i stated before, my 3500+ is currently overclocked to same speed at 4000+. so i'm saving money, getting the same speed... all i gotta say is im very happy.


p.s. the parts i picked out are not second hand nor crappy


Posted by hardikaveri on Feb-16-2005 06:25:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink

amd athlon 64 3500+ 90nm socket 939 retail ($285)

msi k8n neo2 platinum motherboard socket 939 ($139)

silverstone temjin black full tower case "sst-tj06b-w" (139.99)

pdp systems memory dual channel ddr pc-3200 2x512 mb ($177.91)
[

rosewill 500w black powersupply ($55.49)

hitachi 250gb 7200rpm sata harddrive ($126.99)


sony internal 16x dvd+/-rw/cd-r+/rw ($60.50)
(these things are cheap now, basically all in one package)

radeon 9800se video card ($132.00)



i just bought almost same package, but with antecs airplanealuminum case, 17" lcd 10ms and with x800 xt pe vivo graphic card vith 1900 euros


Posted by A83 on Feb-17-2005 01:30:

quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
i got my 3500+ 90nm for $259. a 4000+ costs about 800 dollars. lets see... saving around 500 dollars for a slight speed gain? if its worth it for you go ahead. and as i stated before, my 3500+ is currently overclocked to same speed at 4000+. so i'm saving money, getting the same speed... all i gotta say is im very happy.


p.s. the parts i picked out are not second hand nor crappy


You can also overclock the 4000+ and pass the 3500+ overclocked by FAR


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