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Posted by cl8on on Jan-31-2005 05:56:

About transition...

After almost 2 years of mixing, there is still this problem of mine that i dunno how to solve.

When i get the beat matching down and while i am mixing in, sometimes, at some point , for some reason the bass , or the kick would sound funny, as if it got weaker all of the sudden and it goes back to normal... but i am pretty sure both tracks are still in sync, tho.

Could it be anything to do with EQing or am I just still a nub on the beatmatching? I do havta admit my beatmatch isnt all that good, but at least it holds and i usually just touch my platter once or twice during the transition.

It makes a set sounds shitty when this happen, not like i am off beat but it just sounds funny.

thanks a lot ppl.

Posted by beats and beeps on Jan-31-2005 06:03:

Well, If I understand what you are describing, it could be that your beatmatching is dead on.

With some records, if you mix them, with dead on kicks, they will "phase" and the result will be a weaker sound (to my ears at least) Some records react in the same way, but have more of a flangy sound (although a flangier sound means that the kicks are a tad bit off)

So I guess you could say that yes, your eqing is the problem, because it usually solves this...

Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jan-31-2005 06:04:

your probably talking about the whoosing sound they make when they are on top of each other...you eliminate that by giving a nudge to one of the tunes (not the live one). Now if your beat matching is good, then it will stay that way if not they will go back to whooshing or the gallop.

Posted by zoomzoom on Jan-31-2005 06:09:

Both these guys are right. It has to do with similar frequencies being very slightly out of phase, which cancels out some of the sound. A little nudge to better align the beats will solve this problem.

Posted by KristineClub on Jan-31-2005 06:24:

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Originally posted by beats and beeps
With some records, if you mix them, with dead on kicks, they will "phase" and the result will be a weaker sound

He's right. The waves of the two kicks are cancelling eachother out. Try changing the way you mix the two tracks- you might have to do a quick transition from one kick to the other.

Just try it. When you hear it happen next time just turn the low down all the way of the track you're bringing in. It should go away.

Posted by R.j. on Jan-31-2005 06:31:

i was wondering about this also

thanks beats n beeps and Energy!

Posted by Zild on Jan-31-2005 15:49:

quote:
Could it be anything to do with EQing or am I just still a nub on the beatmatching? I do havta admit my beatmatch isnt all that good, but at least it holds and i usually just touch my platter once or twice during the transition.

Learn how to ride the pitch fader to make corrections instead of touching the platter and it won't sound pants.

Posted by Freak on Jan-31-2005 16:45:

constructive and destructive interference

Basically waveforms cancelling each other out.

work the eqs so you dont have 2 full kicks sounding. When one is on full, have the other at 50 or 25% for example, and vice versa

Posted by DJ Joshua H on Jan-31-2005 17:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Freak
constructive and destructive interference

Basically waveforms cancelling each other out.

work the eqs so you dont have 2 full kicks sounding. When one is on full, have the other at 50 or 25% for example, and vice versa

yeah try mixing with the eqs more than the fader

Posted by Nemesis44 on Jan-31-2005 22:32:

Posted by j@y on Feb-01-2005 16:27:

some mixers just cant take 2 bass at one time

im played in a club once and there was a djm-600 and i couldnt both bass at any time or it would just reverb has hell

switch bass more rapidly

Posted by DJVirgen on Feb-02-2005 07:42:

I think everyone here has the right idea. I'd say adjust EQ first to avoid the cancelling out of low bass tones, and if the higher "kick" of the kick drum also feels weak then you may have to nudge one record by just a tad to get those synced up better (or worse, technically...) However, in my experience, if none of the tricks provided by all these guys does the job, then chances are those two tracks just weren't meant to be mixed together.

Posted by Boomer187 on Feb-02-2005 14:57:

quote:
Originally posted by zoomzoom
Both these guys are right. It has to do with similar frequencies being very slightly out of phase, which cancels out some of the sound. A little nudge to better align the beats will solve this problem.

Actually its when they are precisely 180 deg opposite waveforms. I looked at this when I was at the auditory lab here at school. We created a simple sine wave and layered the same one over it except while one was rising, the other was falling. There was no sound. But it you moved one wave or the other either slightly forward or slightly backwards you get a louder sound.

Since this is due to the frequency, even if the volume of one of the frequencies is low, it will still cancell out the loud frequency. which is a bitch, but ya just gotta either nudge one of the tracks forwards or back, and hope for the best. Or leave the bass out one, then slam in the bass on the next track when you completely knock out the bass on the first.