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Cubase?
Is this the best sequencer to use? Better than Reason? I never used neither of them, but I'm wondering how they match up. Also, how much is Cubase? Reason? What are the specifications, system wise? I googled this and found lots of info, but i'm wondering what the TAs who produce think. Thanks
P.S. Do i really have to pay $579.88 for it? (Cubase)
Or $369 for Reason?
Check out FL Studio. Only $149.99 for the producer edition. Definitely better than Reason although I use both together. www.flstudio.com - Make sure you get some VST instruments though, at least eventually. Although the 3xosc and TS404 can make some cool Trancey sounds, VST's will make a huge difference in your music and FL supports them (Reason doesn't so you're stuck with what you get in the package).
FL also supports automation of any parameter, Time stretching and it has a cool MPC drum pad emulator! They also have the best Piano Roll I've ever seen. 
Be sure to download the 'Getting Started Guide' which will walk you through how to use the program.
You can download the fully-functioning demo on their site only save is disabled.
There are hundereds of free and commercial VST's. www.kvraudio.com is a good resource to get you started. I'd recommend getting the full version of Sytrus or Vanguard or Superwave TracePro to get you started. They are affordable and sound very good for Trance.
If you need ANY help with FL, please feel free to email me: fruitylooper@ (NO SPAM) gmail.com
-Heather
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| Originally posted by 4am Check out FL Studio. Only $149.99 for the producer edition. Definitely better than Reason although I use both together. www.flstudio.com - Make sure you get some VST instruments though, at least eventually. Although the 3xosc and TS404 can make some cool Trancey sounds, VST's will make a huge difference in your music and FL supports them (Reason doesn't so you're stuck with what you get in the package). FL also supports automation of any parameter, Time stretching and it has a cool MPC drum pad emulator! They also have the best Piano Roll I've ever seen. Be sure to download the 'Getting Started Guide' which will walk you through how to use the program. You can download the fully-functioning demo on their site only save is disabled. There are hundereds of free and commercial VST's. www.kvraudio.com is a good resource to get you started. I'd recommend getting the full version of Sytrus or Vanguard or Superwave TracePro to get you started. They are affordable and sound very good for Trance. If you need ANY help with FL, please feel free to email me: fruitylooper@ (NO SPAM) gmail.com -Heather |
I would always go for Cubase. It is quite tricky to learn but it is worth it for the sound quality alone (which can't be beaten in my opinion). Go for Cubase SL - I think it set me back around �230 but it was definately worth it. You can upgrade at any time to Cubase SX but Cubase SL should be all you really need.
hey 4am, u can us FL and reason together???
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| Originally posted by DJ A.i hey 4am, u can us FL and reason together??? |
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| Originally posted by mto Also, I seem to have problem with MIDI files on my computer. For example, I downlad a MIDI file and i double click on it to play it.. and it wont play. It says device problem or something like that. I have a 1.9ghz P4, 256 rdram, 70 GB HD (37 free), Sound Blaster Live. |
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| Originally posted by 4am They also have the best Piano Roll I've ever seen. |
the only thing i dislike is the inabilty to draw out your shit in sheet music style. altho when i switch the kinds of piano roll it is like the typical c shit into real notes like a1 a#1 d4 d#4 and so on it makes me able to draw out them better.
its all down to personal preference. personally i dont give a damn about scoresheets (i dont even score much on paper anymore. just plink some notes on my typing keyboard with record on and thats that when i wanna remember a melody.) i do think floops piano roll is rather nice and easy to use. i do find it disconcerting that exporting kickdrums with the dB meters peaking then importing them into soundforge shows them up to be on average -9 dB. a bit annoying. but i can live with it. when i bash up a tune really quickly (and im talking getting the drums, bassline and the basics of lead down in under an hour) floops is just brilliant for that. hence why i use it. you may have different experiences.
my suggestion. try out demos where available. get a feel for which one you prefer. stick with it.
If you are going to use hardware synths, than you should get Cubase. Else I would suggest downloading traktion if it's still free.
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| Originally posted by Rob To be able to use MIDI files in FL you have to go file->import-> MIDI file. If you're having problmes playing MIDI files in something like Winamp, get the latest version. And no, you don't REALLY have to pay $579.88 for Cubase @DJ A.i: You can use Reason with FL using ReWire. |
First, get FL Studio version 5. It's a free update for customers who bought 4.0 or later of FL.
Second, follow these instructions to get FL and Reason to work together:
FLStudio:
Channels > Add one > Rewire........Rewire settings opens up. In Client drop
down menu choose Reason. Click the little light next to Multi-Outs so that
is 'lit' (we'll get to this later). Click on the Show Panel button to launch
reason. Reason should open up in its own window. Place it in an FX channel
of your choice, but be sure to give it some room (leave some channels after
it empty).
Reason:
***A good idea for Reason is to set up your own template that reason will
open with. To do that, start with an empty rack (Reason defaults to a pre
made rack when you select File > New...), meaning delete all of the modules
in the pre-made rack. You cannot delete the audio rack (top rack with the
name various inputs) as it is the sound source for Reason. Save this empty
rack to a file name and directory of your choice. Now, open up the
preferences dialogue. In general settings you should see an area where you
can put in the location of a project file that Reason will open everytime
you start the program.***
With an empty rack, add a synth module only (in this case, add a Malstrom).
There is no need to add a Remix module, as the Synth modules will be routed
directly into the sound rack. Flip the rack over (press the 'Tab' key on
your keybord) and you will see the wiring. Malstrom should be wired from Osc
A to the Left input of Channel one and Osc B to the Right input. If not,
wire it as such. Flip the rack back over and load any old patch (this is
just so we have a sound reference). **In adding more modules, successively
wire each one to the next input channel on the sound module.**
Now go back to FLStudio (alt+tab) and open up the 'midi options' dialogue. A
window will pop up where we can see the MIDI channel for the Malstrom we
just added on the right. Make not of what channel that it says, for we will
need this is a bit. Down at the bottom, you will see a button that says
something like 'add port'. What you do is enter a number into the port box
(say 22.....do not choose 1, 9 or 10) and click on the button. You will see
it added to the box on the left. This is important as we will use this port
when setting up MIDI Outs. Close the dialogue and close the Rewire settings
window.
Channel > Add one > MIDI Out......at the top right, enter the port number
that you entered in the Rewire MIDI Options window. Now change the channel
to what the Malstrom is set to. You should now be able to press down a key
on your MIDI controller, or press a key on the MIDI Out built-in keyboard
and hear the module played through FLStudio. Great! Now you can start
writing MIDI notes in without having to use Reason's Piano Roll.
Enabling the multi output light in the Rewire settings window allows for
each module to be sent to its own FX channel successively AFTER the Rewire
FX channel! This allows the user to add effects to them individ
hey 4am, i was wondering how you would use cubase sx with reason. i have no idea how to use cubase sx at all. i kinda have the hang of what reason is for, but why would anyone need to rewire to cubase sx? is it for the vsti's?? sorry for the noobish questions.
I have NO idea how to rewire to Cubase SX - and with the price tag of that software and the huge learning curve, I'd use FL Studio. The main reason to rewire Reason is to be able to use the really cool synths and fx in your projects without the hassle of creating an entire song in Reason (to me, a big pain in the butt because I do not like Reason's Piano Roll or sequencer).
If you want to rewire to Cubase, you're asking the wrong person. But to FL, I wrote the instructions above. If you don't use FL, it's alot easier to learn than Cubase anyway.
Download free demo of FL at www.flstudio.com also dowload the 'getting started guide' (word document I think. You might need free software to view Word documents that contain images if you don't have Word.)
The getting started guide will be very necessary to learning FL if you don't know how to use it.
Good luck!
-Heather
ok, well i do have FL4.. but your saying i need to update to FL5 in order to rewire to reason? but do people use rewire so they have access to vsti's? im just wondering b/c i have no clue on how the whole rewireing thing works. i like reasons but i dont have a midi keyboard/controller.
First, you don't have to update to FL 5 to get ReWire to work. It's just that FL5 is very cool!
Anyway, What rewire does is allow you to control Reason's intruments through FL Studio. So you can control the Malstrom synth by using FL's piano roll... See what I mean? Basically it just allows you to use Reason's cool synths along with FL's features and VST support!
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| Originally posted by DJ A.i hey 4am, i was wondering how you would use cubase sx with reason. i have no idea how to use cubase sx at all. i kinda have the hang of what reason is for, but why would anyone need to rewire to cubase sx? is it for the vsti's?? sorry for the noobish questions. |
does cubase have a piano roll type thing also?
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| Originally posted by DJ A.i does cubase have a piano roll type thing also? |
I suggest getting Cubase and Fruity
I ussually create all kicks, hats, melody in FL Export then import into cubase and sequence them
This is by far the easiest way
As for having to pay $500+ for Cubase, you could get it on backup but it will crash and stuff
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| Originally posted by Subtle yeh.. sure and its 10x more complicated than the ones in Reason and FL.. a very good Piano roll imo... |
You get what you "pay" for!
Cubase SX imo. Has THE best piano roll. First when I started with Reason I got very fond of it's piano roll. But once i started to go deeper into Cubase SX it devoured me. The functions... accessability. It shows all you need on screen, if you need groove control or something else, everything is just a click away.
I'm sorry though to say that FLStudio has the worst piano roll ever. It's even worse than Orion. And the graphical design really bugs my eyes... I haven't, but can't imagine starring into it for several hours.
Anyways... it's all about what you like. But Cubase SX is much more flexible and professional!
cubase 0wns..
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| Originally posted by h.vox more complicated? what exactly is complicated in piano roll in cubase? ok, it is much more powerful, but not all those options are shown on the screen, to make it less complicating. dunno about reason piano roll, but i pretty much dislike fruity's piano roll for unavailability of more advanced options on the screen. |
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