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Ok I'm a little confused about what's going on with the media these days and I'm starting to lose all faith even in those that were more or less credible...

So first everyone's beating the war drums for the war

Then everyone's on the bandwagon of bashing the war and that it was bad and wrong and all that stuff

Now everyone jumped on another bandwagon and all of the sudden once again the war was good and all we are hearing are great things...so much so that this morning on the bus I saw someone reading THE SUN where the headline was "VICTORY" on the front page.

All this bandwagon jumping makes me rather skeptical. I know it's a great thing they have elections and all but I'm losing faith in many of the sources.

If a single post beyond mine can be made without questioning or challenging the American involvement in Iraq - I will be surprised. This thread is about the vote - the "golden moment" of opportunity for a people who have not seen anything close in over 50 years.

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I think we are witnessing something that will spur a middle-east equivalent of the "collapse of communism". A "tipping point" if you will.

The world is very proud of the Iraqi people - what a marvelous moment of true, meaningful impact!

Much of what I've heard over the last few days has been that the Iraqi people are satisfied/content to be finally and rightfully accepting their roles in a democratic society.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Much of what I've heard over the last few days has been that the Iraqi people are satisfied/content to be finally and rightfully accepting their roles in a democratic society.

No doubt about that!
It's just that the constant bandwagon jumping by the media is rather frustrating and confusing to say the least.

I'm just curious to know who came on top

IIRC official results will be out after 10 days (from yesterday)

11000 iraquis that now reside in Canada voted in the past couple of days.

Starseacher: only watch/read the main stream media for major headlines and such. Use New Media sources for analysis.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Starseacher: only watch/read the main stream media for major headlines and such. Use New Media sources for analysis.

...that way, instead of listening to third rate liberal ideologues spewing mindless rhetoric, you can listen to third rate conservative windbags spew mindless rhetoric.

Sorry, I just had to make a cynical statement. I have to agree that going beyond the big headlines and commentary from our mainstream media gives you a greater perspective on issues.

Nevertheless, whatever the faults and failings on behalf of the war effort were over the last while, no one can deny the magnitude of this achievement for Iraq.

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Originally posted by drewfactor ...that way, instead of listening to third rate liberal ideologues spewing mindless rhetoric, you can listen to third rate conservative windbags spew mindless rhetoric.

http://socnet.net/blogs/doumakes.cgi

I don't get why ex-pats get to vote. Not like any one of them know what's going on in Iraq anyway.

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Originally posted by psychosomatica I don't get why ex-pats get to vote. Not like any one of them know what's going on in Iraq anyway.

Voting in most countries is based on CITIZENSHIP, not residency.

If you moved to, say, France, you could vote in the Canadian election.



Not Lieberal though, that would be treason.

Re: Iraqi Elections

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Originally posted by starsearcher Ok I'm a little confused about what's going on with the media these days and I'm starting to lose all faith even in those that were more or less credible... So first everyone's beating the war drums for the war Then everyone's on the bandwagon of bashing the war and that it was bad and wrong and all that stuff Now everyone jumped on another bandwagon and all of the sudden once again the war was good and all we are hearing are great things...so much so that this morning on the bus I saw someone reading THE SUN where the headline was "VICTORY" on the front page. All this bandwagon jumping makes me rather skeptical. I know it's a great thing they have elections and all but I'm losing faith in many of the sources.

Kinda wonder why that pattern coincided with the presidential elections...

My point is a lot of people ran away from their country.. It's different if you're an American studying in Canada or something.

Its always funny to read a thread about the middle east! i do visit every year (syria and lebanon) and many iraqis now live in syria, lebanon and jordan. ofcourse the rich iraqis who can afford to pay for a house in one payement as there no such thing as mortage or loan. anyways all of you or most of you dont know whats going on as most of you have no idea whats the M.E and you try to judge by papers and all this papers we read is somewhat complete B.S, getting to the point this voting thing is rediclious theres no such thing like that in the middle east! well yea they make voting centers and this and that but in the end its all controlled by a group of ppl (mafia). the situation in iraq is more than terrible i maet lots of iraqi people during the summer vacation and they all are complaining about the situation, reaching and agreement in iraq is immpossible so many tribes each tribe wants to put a governemnt from there own. In the end there will be a government soon in iraq nodoubt just for the americans to say we did something and we are proud and to fill newspapers.

Re: Iraqi Elections

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Originally posted by starsearcher So first everyone's beating the war drums for the war

No, i think most people were against it from day 1. If your sources told you otherwise you really do need new sources. Even CNN could have concurred.

Here is an interesting article from the New York Times in 1967

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U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote : Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2) WASHINGTON, Sept. 3-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong. The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here. Pending more detailed reports, neither the State Department nor the White House would comment on the balloting or the victory of the military candidates, Lieut. Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu, who was running for president, and Premier Nguyen Cao Ky, the candidate for vice president. A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February. The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta. Few members of that junta are still around, most having been ousted or exiled in subsequent shifts of power. Significance Not Diminished The fact that the backing of the electorate has gone to the generals who have been ruling South Vietnam for the last two years does not, in the Administration's view, diminish the significance of the constitutional step that has been taken. The hope here is that the new government will be able to maneuver with a confidence and legitimacy long lacking in South Vietnamese politics. That hope could have been dashed either by a small turnout, indicating widespread scorn or a lack of interest in constitutional development, or by the Vietcong's disruption of the balloting. American officials had hoped for an 80 per cent turnout. That was the figure in the election in September for the Constituent Assembly. Seventy-eight per cent of the registered voters went to the polls in elections for local officials last spring. Before the results of the presidential election started to come in, the American officials warned that the turnout might be less than 80 per cent because the polling place would be open for two or three hours less than in the election a year ago. The turnout of 83 per cent was a welcome surprise. The turnout in the 1964 United States Presidential election was 62 per cent. Captured documents and interrogations indicated in the last week a serious concern among Vietcong leaders that a major effort would be required to render the election meaningless. This effort has not succeeded, judging from the reports from Saigon. NYT. 9/4/1967: p. 2.

posted in the political forum....

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf http://socnet.net/blogs/doumakes.cgi

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Is it just me, or does every one of those socialist/leftist blogs always appear like it was created by a primary school student. Honestly, I can rarely see any sense of effort put into those things. They obviously need more money, perhaps they could use some advertising. Oh, wait, that would be too capitalistic.

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