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what should i get? Serato Scratch Live or FS2?

hi guys....... i own a cmx 3000 and a 3channel mixer .... i recently came out seeing Final Scratch 2 on the web ... i did some looking up and apparently ... PAUL VAN DYK uses it .... not sure how long he has been using it ... even while he was in singapore for zoukout 2004 ... i didnt see him change a record.


now .. some people told me that final scratch is a piece of dump .. and to rather get a Serato Scratch live ... it will be a better equipment to get .... paul van dyk uses his FS2 with a iMAC G4 ... not sure if his FS2 crashed before. .. but many people say that its a lousy equipment that crashes very often .. now .. i dont do scratching ...

i would be getting a vinyl player .. somehow .. playing with a vinyl gives me the better feeling then a cd ... but i still will mix with my cmx3000 as cashflow is a problem for me right now ....anyway .. i checked with a dealer in singapore and he said that final scratch 2 will not be out yet till end feb ... as there are problems in the factory ... some problem ... hehehe...


there aint any serato dealers in singapore... well there is only two.. but one is not carrying that scratch live .. and the other says it will not be sold in singapore as there is a licensing issue .. i mean cmon .. what bloody licensing issue is there?


ok guys ... among the 2 ... Final Scratch 2 or SERATO Scratch live ... which should i get?

please give your comment guys........

Theres too many threads on this topic. use the search!!!

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=239773

i would say both products WHEN WORKING are more or less of the same rating. FS2 may just edge it tho. the only reason why people rave so much abt SSL is because you have a better chance of getting it to work than FS2. i used to own FS1 and never had any problems with it for example. my friend had SSL and had tons of issues getting it to work correctly.

PvD uses a Powerbook not an imac. i have often asked my self this very question. and for me it boils down to Rane or Stanton? i trust rane alot more than stanton.

i got ssl and am happy with it... easy to use, sounds good... does what i need it to do.... am using it on a 17" powerbook.

-keith

ok guys ..... i cant help but to raise this question

if the FS, either version 1 or version 2 is so F*CK*D up .... why is it that PVD is using it ? ... im not sure if it has either screwed up on him during his sets ...

now im deciding to buy perhaps the SSL .... but im not sure if people are recommending the SSL becoz they are biased to it .. or perhaps they are working for rane ........

it costs me SGD $900++ to get the ssl ... i just dont want to get it and then regret it later....... i kinda like the graphic interface of FS better then the SSL .. but if the FS is really a lousy equipment i will get the ssl

perhaps i should start a vote? anyway guys ... please help me out in my decision making

hehehe

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Originally posted by raveanddie ok guys ..... i cant help but to raise this question if the FS, either version 1 or version 2 is so F*CK*D up .... why is it that PVD is using it ? ... im not sure if it has either screwed up on him during his sets ... now im deciding to buy perhaps the SSL .... but im not sure if people are recommending the SSL becoz they are biased to it .. or perhaps they are working for rane ........ it costs me SGD $900++ to get the ssl ... i just dont want to get it and then regret it later....... i kinda like the graphic interface of FS better then the SSL .. but if the FS is really a lousy equipment i will get the ssl perhaps i should start a vote? anyway guys ... please help me out in my decision making hehehe

I've owned FS1.1. It's hardware is very unreliable for me on everything i've tried it on from mac, intel p4s w/: 845mp notebook and 865pe chipsets and even a kt333a chipset w/ amd xp-2200. It's "Scratch-amp" would always disconnect itself and cause the older versions of FS to hang. I've then tried the software on a older 1.0 Scratchamp and it worked flawlessly. So then i started to email Stanton for around a month, only to not get any answers. I also called and told someone about my problems only to be told that the next revision for windows XP will fix my issues. Well when the next revision was made official, i found out that i would need to pay $50 to get the upgrade (which wouldn't do anything to help) in hopes of fixing the allready screwed hardware. That's when i threw in the towel and contacted my friend at GC to allow me to do a return b/c of defective hardware and get credit.

Now, within the past month or so i bought SSL. Needless to say, it just works. The tech support on their message board includes beta testers, programmers, from both Rane AND SERATO! And they usually will get back to you within hours ifnot minutes! Also, latency is good, sound quality is great, and stability is solid as well.

So it's your call... If you don't want to believe me and do what pretty-boy PVD does, go ahead. He's probably paid or sponsored by NI And/Or Stanton to use that product, and don't forget: he's more valuable marketing tool than any regular bedroom or opening dj, so he get's all the tech support he needs.

SSL all the way, extremely reliable and it runs great on my 12" Powerbook.

This is from the PVD Cream Closing Party set on djmixes2k last month. I have never used FS but if somebody has, is this maybe a FS hickup?
http://www.nitroevents.com/mp3/pvderror.mp3

Here we have the power of marketing...

You have SSL where everybody that owns it loves it and FS where a lot of people have problems and dislike it but a big name DJ is backing it. If PVD didn't use it you know you would go with the SSL/Rane product. SSL makes awesome audio software and Rane builds top notch gear. Not to mention the support!

PVD is probably my favorite DJ but I knew I can depend on Rane and when I had a problem they were there for me 100%.

I had an audio drop out issue with SSL when I first got it. I would get a quick drop once every few songs and the general quality was somewhat choppy during vocals. So I got on the SSL forum and let them know. There were totally interested it solving the problem.

I traced it back to CPU utilization by the Window Server process on Mac OSX. Basically the graphics for SSL were so CPU intensive for the OS to render that it was actually starving SSL. Since I live in Seattle, I went over to Rane and showed them the issue. The support guy showed me the next version of SSL, which had a setting to lower the screen refresh rate. In version 1.2 it's hard coded at 60 FPS but in 1.3 (still in beta) you can set it yourself in increments of 5. At 10 FPS and a buffer of 1 the display looks very fluid and my CPU is at 40%ish. Since then I have not had a SINGLE problem with audio quality in probably 50 hours of use.

Some people in the SSL forum were pointing out that they saw PVD talking to the Serato Rep at a trade show. I wouldn't be shocked if PVD made a switch to SSL in the near future. Check out the post:
http://scratchlive.net/forum/discus...ion_id=1225#new

In the same post the Serato rep said:
"I was talking about the fact that we will never release a new version of software or hardware that will make your existing hardware obsolete. If, in the future, we were to make new hardware, for example... if we were to make a version that supported 3 turntables, then we would need to change the hardware ... notice all the ifs and thens... so, having established this hypothetical situation that would require a change to the hardware, I went on to say that all new versions of the software would still support the old/existing hardware."

Are FS1 users going to be taken care of forever? Yeah right...

If you ask me there is nothing to vote on. SSL wins, hands down.

Keith

yea that is a FS hiccup from PVD. sounds like he's tried to load a track onto the other deck - happened to me sometimes.

whats wrong with Virtual DJ? better than all of them imo. its the most updated software that deliver the best results. btw... there are skins that get rid of the spinning turntables, so dont say you hate that or anything.

also there's A-track, and Jazzy-Jeff, they both use SSL with steller results.

i have fs 2 and power book 17'' with gig ram upgrade..
it rocks mah socks..
played it at gigs too!

thank you guys for all your input...


i guess some versions of FS2 do suck and give problems.... well since so many people are swearing by their SSL that its a great equipment ... perhaps i will get the SSL then.... but i also heard a new version is coming out ... not sure when though.

i would also wanna get a turntable .. perhaps a technics? but there also are gemini or numark... somehow playing with a vinyl feels more. right...... but im still gonna use my pioneer cmx3000 ... but just get only 1 turntable ... heard that SSL still works even though with a one turntable setup? ... SSL is smart enough to switch it at the touch of some buttons?


elliot

It dont get why so many people disslike final scratch

i own final scratch 1.5 and it works just great...
at first i had minor problems and the program wasnt functionning properly but i install it again and evrything works just fine

never lets me down...evrything is always functionning properly
never dropped in any gigs...

and i got it for 450 canadian bucks so screw ssl who cost 1000 canadian bucks



btw...that one table setup that you can use works but once you get your second track in you cant ajust the first one

Never had any problems with final scratch here planning on upgrading to fs2 soon.

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Originally posted by raveanddie thank you guys for all your input... i guess some versions of FS2 do suck and give problems.... well since so many people are swearing by their SSL that its a great equipment ... perhaps i will get the SSL then.... but i also heard a new version is coming out ... not sure when though. i would also wanna get a turntable .. perhaps a technics? but there also are gemini or numark... somehow playing with a vinyl feels more. right...... but im still gonna use my pioneer cmx3000 ... but just get only 1 turntable ... heard that SSL still works even though with a one turntable setup? ... SSL is smart enough to switch it at the touch of some buttons? elliot

You can buy SSL now and still get future upgrades in the future for free. Just be sure the version you buy includes cv02 vinyl b/c cv01 had some drifting issues due to the imperfections in the origional acitate. If you can't get a SSL setup w/ CV02 vinyl, software version 1219 has a "drift compensation" feature that compensates for older Scratch live vinyl.

And for using a single deck, you simply click "input reverse" and it allows you to use one deck w/ ssl. Oh yeah, the software also comes w/ 2 timecode cds so you can use your cd deck and turntable.

hey trancespeeder, how well does virtual dj work? are the mp3's real responsive?

It's just like the djx 700...some people get some that work great, some don't

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue hey trancespeeder, how well does virtual dj work? are the mp3's real responsive?

yes, its amazing if you ask me. i dont get any skipping at all, cept maybe it matters what kind of pc you have? but for me its perfect.

A little late on the thread, but I used the search for the past 3 months and this was one of the ones I found....

I just used SSL yesterday, and it was VERY easy to get accustomed to. Took me 2 songs and I was mixing just as good(if not better) as I do with regular vinyl.

I also talked with my friend about his opinion of the two and he recommended SSL.

I haven't had a chance to try FS, but for the trial I did with SSL, it was awesome. I would highly recommend it.

Having used both FS2 and SSL now i would say go with SSL you only have to deal with one company for tech support and you can actually get tech support.

I bought FS2 last month and I'm proud of this product. You have to know that FS2 run on FireWire, so it's 10X faster than USB. Also, you had an External great Sound Card, so your laptop is limited to sound drops.

Personnaly, the FS2 Traktor Program as a better look than SSL.

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Originally posted by NickPilon I bought FS2 last month and I'm proud of this product. You have to know that FS2 run on FireWire, so it's 10X faster than USB.

Interesting, I'm goin to have to try out FS2 so I get a better idea of what the differences are (speedwise and overall).
So is there no version of SSL that runs on FireWire? (guess I could always look up the info.. heh). Although from workin with SSL I didn't notice the speed being any problem.

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