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same sex marriage

just wondering what everyones thoughts are on this one..... seems that these days alot of people consider themselves non racist and un prejudiced but still are against the whole same sex marriage issue.

so currently im sick today and not going to classes, and im extreemly bored of photochoping so i decided to kick a thought provoking conversation into high gear...

there was a really great thread about this not TOO long ago...probably this last summer hehehe ...

but it kinda sounded like most people didn't care, except they didn't think it should be "marriage" because of the religious affiliations that title holds...


personally...i don't give a fuck...

I have nothing against same sex marriage.

I do have something against gay men making passes at me, though.

To each thier own. Let Gay's have the same rights deserved as strait people.

I don't really agree with same sex marriage, but it's not my decision to make. I have gay friends, even though I don't prescribe to their lifestyle. Agree with www.punisher, as long as I'm treated with respect, I will treat someone else with respect, gay, straight, whatever.

i have no problem with it. marriage doesnt have to be between a guy and a girl, although sometimes..... one guys the girl and sometimes the other guys the girl

right?


right?



thats hot

Before anyone says marriage is an institution from God, let's remember several atheist religions do have marriage rituals.

I'm going to write a proper long post as soon as I get home

i think we tend to forget that some of us tolerate homosexuals and while others accept it. i find myself in the former. which for me, basically means i am not going to get in your way or gay bash but don't expect me to join in the Gay pride parade.

i have seen this multiple times here.
when someone will call someone else a homophobe, when i don't actually believe that to be the case. these group of people just find themselves in the same predicament as me. by cause of our religion, ideals, morals or what have you, we just don't accept it, but that doesn't necessarily mean we are homophobic.

tolerate being the keyword here folks. brought to you by the letter "T"

There are no valid arguments that I've ever come across to deny homosexual couples the same rights afforded to heterosexual couples. If you're against gay marriage then don't get involved in a gay marriage - it's that simple.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher I do have something against gay men making passes at me, though.

Why? Is there anything so harrowing about saying, "No, sorry, I'm not gay?"

Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve !!

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Originally posted by Nure Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve !!

Abiogenesis, not Adam and Eve!

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Originally posted by Renegade Why? Is there anything so harrowing about saying, "No, sorry, I'm not gay?"

Apologies, but if I look like a turd burglar to you... then you need to have your gaydar calibrated.

They should be accorded the same rights as any other citizen by the government.

Religions get to choose what they will and will not do regarding it.

Which means the government will, if they want it to be a truly universal rights benefit, create an institution that anyone can sign up for that will grant them live in rights.

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on the personal note i think its disgusting and Id be happier if it didnt happen.

President Bush says that we have to keep marriage "sacred" blah, blah, blah. Is marriage that sacred anymore with a 50% divorce rate and drive through marriages in Vegas? Marriage is a right everyone should have I think.

it isnt a matter of the sanctity of marriage, its the seperation of church and state.

edit: im fully aware of the government sanctioned practice of marriage. If you look at it as a society though its something the government would and should encourage.

If that isnt clear enough, as a society you want your populace to have obligations. It helps keep them in line. Slows the rampant child production of multiple partners, helps keep disease down, and lowers the acts of insanity that men usually engage in while single.

I could care less abour gays

UNLESS they dress in pink or act stupid because they think they're allowed because they're gay. I also sickens me to see 2 gays 'be intimite' (in any way). *throw-upsmilie*

Public Displays of Affection are annoying anyway. The military doesnt allow its people do it even when not on base. It pisses everyone off.

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Originally posted by Nabistai I could care less abour gays UNLESS they dress in pink or act stupid because they think they're allowed because they're gay. I also sickens me to see 2 gays 'be intimite' (in any way). *throw-upsmilie*

I own some pink shirts, am I allowed to if I'm heterosexual?

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Originally posted by Orbax Public Displays of Affection are annoying anyway.

True that is.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ President Bush says that we have to keep marriage "sacred" blah, blah, blah. Is marriage that sacred anymore with a 50% divorce rate and drive through marriages in Vegas? Marriage is a right everyone should have I think.

+1

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Originally posted by Nabistai UNLESS they dress in pink or act stupid because they think they're allowed because they're gay.

What's that supposed to mean? You have a problem with homosexuals dressing as they wish? You think homosexuals "act stupid" because they think "they're allowed" to? Perhaps we should just introduce some laws that place limits on how "outrageous" they're allowed to be in public, just to keep you happy?

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I also sickens me to see 2 gays 'be intimite' (in any way). *throw-upsmilie*

The first time I ever saw a homosexual couple "be intimate" with each other was last year (the fact that I hadn't ever seen a homosexual couple "be intimate" together in the first 20 years of my life is already a sad indictment on how intolerent society is) in a club. At first, like many people I suspect, I was repulsed by it, but then I thought: they're expressing their love for each other, publicly, as they have the right to do and I'm sitting here judging them - who's the one with the problem here?

Seeing a man kiss another man is almost certainly going to make the average heterosexual man feel a bit queasy, but ultimately it's our attitude that needs to be changed, not theirs. I'm not saying they should be allowed to go for it wantonly in the middle of a crowded room, but if they're merely sharing a kiss in a secluded corner of a public place - as heterosexual couples do all the time - then what exactly is the problem?

i think orbax illustrated the key point. it is well taught political doctrine that religion and politics dont mix. especially in a non homogenous multicultural society such as canada or the states. you have numerous different beliefs that cannot be represented by one faith. a true democracy should function to benefit all its people by some unanemous charter that is free from religious influences. for instance, if your a practicing catholic and same sex marriages are legal, that doesnt mean you have to participate in one. or even have your church perform one. but there are alot of faith bodies out there both christian and non christian that have either embraced the subject or at least accepted it. i think homosexual tolerance is all that we can hopefor in this day in age but that doesnt mean excluding them from the "sanctity of marriage" which is bs in my opinion. there is more cheating and divorce these days than happy endings.

denying GLBT's the right to marry is the same as segregation in the states back in the day. i doubt the states will ever legalize it, but i hope canada does and upholds it. let the individual churches decide wether or not they will allow them to be performed in their respective faiths. Lets not forget that it is possible to legaly wed outside of a religious faction. engineers, doctors, lawyers, judges and priests can all legaly wed people.

so i guess i just dont think there are any pertinent arguments aginst it.

Stop confusing homosexual acts between consenting adults (a private issue) with gay marriage (a very PUBLIC issue).

Check my sig.

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Marriage is by nature heterosexual, for it contains a very special union between a man and a woman, a bond that gives rise to future generations through the ability of procreation. No other union shares this ability. This is not discrimination, it is reality. Denying homosexual couples the legal rights and privileges that married spouses enjoy would be a breach of human rights. We do not contest this � we support it. Gay and lesbian couples are given the same rights under a civil union. There is no violation of human rights when the traditional definition of marriage is upheld. A heterosexual relationship is by nature different from a homosexual one. So why should they be defined as one and the same? We believe this would unfairly lessen the vital role that heterosexual couples play as parents of future generations. They are the cornerstone of civilization, and should be recognized as such. Our government needs to reflect the laws of nature in its own laws and policies.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Marriage is by nature heterosexual, for it contains a very special union between a man and a woman, a bond that gives rise to future generations through the ability of procreation.

So procreation is the test of a legitimate marriage? Tough luck infertile and childless couples, you've been undermining the sanctity of marriage for too long!

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We believe this would unfairly lessen the vital role that heterosexual couples play as parents of future generations. They are the cornerstone of civilization, and should be recognized as such.

Wow, really? I always though the cornerstone of civilisation was agriculture. Or the ready availabilty of productive resources. Or oganised government. Or some process of law-enforcement. But it seems I was wrong - apparently no civilization can function without the legally enabled suppression of homosexual couples! Wait until the ancient Greeks, Spartans and Romans hear about this!

ppl r fucking retarded, how does same sex marriage affect u? ppl need to mind their own business

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