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Posted by Quantized on Feb-03-2005 20:25:

changing uni course, need suggestions...

Im halfway through my 2nd year of electronic & electrical engineering and ive decided that its shit and i want to change to something else. I just had 4 exams and passed 1 out of 4 which is another reason why im quitting. The lecturers for this course just expect too much out of us - expecting us to do 3hours+ of uni work every night (after a 7 hour day at uni) which i think is bollocks. A couple of good mates just dropped out as well, which sucks. Also, most of the ppl in my course are nobs - tons of long-haired, sweaty, smelly unsociable heavy-matal fans (u know the type) and theres only like 5 girls in my class out of like 50

aaaaanyway... i dont have a fuckin clue what to change to, so i was lookin for some suggestions. What courses are you guys doing? Are they easy/hard/interesting/not much work involved/etc? I really dont know what to pick (everything in the prospectus looks pants tbh :P) hence why im posting here.

Has anyone else changed before? cos i was also wondering whether i would get funded (loan,etc) for doing an extra year at uni?

Thanks


Posted by Frase on Feb-03-2005 20:44:

im changing courses this coming year hopefully

from comp science to music tech, shouldnt be too much of a ball ache i guess

but jus the loan people you need to watch! lol


Posted by Dervish on Feb-03-2005 21:25:

I just finnished an EE degree. I know what you mean about the geeks and lack of birdies.

I had the same problem with my mates all dropping out and stuff. But I just stuck to it.

I don't know if just changing course is the best idea. Because if what your doing is worth anything it'll be hard. Otherwise when you leave you'll end up working in some frigging call center or some shit.

PS: What uni you at? Is it an MEng/BEng/BSc? Remember if you do one more year you get a non-honours degree (better than fuck all, probebly as good as a third class hons, esp if your marks are shit).


Posted by Absolut_Vodka on Feb-03-2005 21:32:

Frase, you're in coventry eh? what uni u at?


Posted by Quantized on Feb-03-2005 21:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
I had the same problem with my mates all dropping out and stuff. But I just stuck to it.


yeh thats the thing...im having trouble sticking with it. its getting to the point where i just dont bother getting out my bed cos the thought of goin into uni is depressing. i think im enjoying my part-time job at safeways more than uni

quote:

PS: What uni you at? Is it an MEng/BEng/BSc? Remember if you do one more year you get a non-honours degree (better than fuck all, probebly as good as a third class hons, esp if your marks are shit).


Im at Strathclyde Uni in glasgow and im doing a BEng (too stupid for MEng lol) Do u think finishing after 3rd year would get me a decent job? Did you manage to get a good job straight after finishing your degree? (seeing as thats what uni's alsways promise )


Posted by Dervish on Feb-03-2005 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancedewd
yeh thats the thing...im having trouble sticking with it. its getting to the point where i just dont bother getting out my bed cos the thought of goin into uni is depressing. i think im enjoying my part-time job at safeways more than uni


I know exacly what you mean. I had that too but the thought of my dad kicking my ass manage to motivate me.



quote:
Im at Strathclyde Uni in glasgow and im doing a BEng (too stupid for MEng lol) Do u think finishing after 3rd year would get me a decent job? Did you manage to get a good job straight after finishing your degree? (seeing as thats what uni's alsways promise )


Some people will say no, some will say it'll be ok. I'd say I know people who have got decent ones.

Right now I'm doing a masters in livi. I'm getting sponsored by Rolls-Royce so I could of started a job before I went back, but I want to get chartered.

Alot of the guys on my course are there because they had difficulty getting jobs. But out of my old class (BEng Robert Gordons) I think everyone got jobs (including a guy with a 3rd).

Remember no-one likes to employ geeks (no social skills). So you'll likly have an advantage.

EDIT: I don't know if you'd like it but I think when your working offshore it's more your personality, and how switched on you are, than your degree. But it isn't for everyone.


Posted by Quantized on Feb-03-2005 23:12:

hmmm...i guess i could stay on (got resits for exams, etc) and finish with a basic degree but i dunno if i'd enjoy it. i was also thinking of what kind of job i would end up with after my degree. Im sure it would be well paid...but it could be the shittest job ever. What are you/will you be doing for Rolls Royce? Where did other people you know apply for jobs?

Also, how easy do you think it would be to get a job with some company like technics/vestax/pioneer/numark? cos that would be a good job imo. but im guessing they maybe only look for MEng engnieers that have super degrees...


Posted by Dervish on Feb-03-2005 23:23:

Well like you say it can be well paid but shitty. I'll likely be some form of plant engineer or "design" engineer. (""= not really design) The way I see it is to get experiance then move up the ladder to better jobs (and chartered). The intial job will possibly be quite dull and not use all my skills. But I'll be learning and getting experiance all the time. But even in the summer work I was having meetings with and presenting to people commanding �300+ million a year budgets tho.

Working for vestax and so on would be difficult I'd think as they'd most likely want people with serious experiance for any design work, but having said that a mate of mine got quite far applying for a uber high cost audio gear job.

Most of the guys from my course are working for oil firms. Mostly on shore just now, but they get a bonus for going off shore.

But when you compare 1) the money 2) the promotion prospects to some joke job, which it's highly likly you'll have to take if you do some joke degree.

Remember with decent qualifications you can do anything, I've thought of the forces and maybe moving to Canada.


Posted by Quantized on Feb-03-2005 23:37:

thanks for the info man

i think ill stay on till the end of this year and then decide what im gonna do. i can see where your coming from with the 'do a shit degree and get a shit job/future prospects' thing so i think will avoid changing to an easy degree.

Oh, i forgot to mention another thing about this degree which is shit - computer programming - this has to be the lamest, most boring, tedious thing ever and its fuckin compulsary i dunno how people can do this as a lifetime job


Posted by Dervish on Feb-03-2005 23:42:

I've done my fair share of that....... more than fair...... C, C++, Asssembler, Verilog little bit of VHDL, I'm sure there are some others. But basicly learning them is tough, but it's like riding a bike once you do it it's done and just like writing curning it out.

Thing is I hate maths so I always did the programming modules because I just can't do the maths. And theres no maths in programming.

I'll not be writing one line of code in my future jobs though, just getting my bit of paper that says I'm an engineer.

Also cheating on the courseworks is easy.

EDIT: Also when you actually go into work the people will be ok in the main. No-one likes to employ arseholes or geeks. So you can get a good laugh normally, though most people will be older, some nice looking girls work in real firms too.

I used to love working in safeways though no responcibilty and just basicly liked working for banter.


Posted by svens_bath on Feb-04-2005 00:42:

dropping out is fairly standard with engineering courses. my brother dropped out of his engineering course i think, to go into a different one, or he changed the level of his degree, but he told me that oit of a class of about 50 or more theres only about 12 or less left in the final year. my mate was doing a mechanical engineering course, and im pretty sure that a lot of folk have dropped out his course. in fact hes actually taken a year out cos he found it too hard.

as for birds in the course, do a scoial sciences subject. im studying law, and id say the whole law school is at a guess, 80% female, and in my sociology class, id say the figure was about the same.

if i was you id stick with the engineering, as theres plenty of opportunity out there for jobs. especially in places like Dubai, where you can get a really fucking good standard of living.


Posted by DRM on Feb-04-2005 02:13:

uni is just a ballache full stop.

no one prepares u wot so ever for the shock u get when u get there. its not just the work, or the living on ur own is just a combination of everything and it can really get on top of you if ur not careful. people who say uni life is just a doss really dont see the bigger picture. yes there are times when u can sit around doing fuck all but the amount of work u have to do to catch up if u do that is ridiculous. i fucked up last year and am now resitting the year as a result. i thought about changing course as like with ur experience more than half the people who started our course dropped out. but in the end i decided that working hard at wot i was doing and gettin something that i can make a career out of was a whole lot more important to me than changing to something that was easy but with no prospects. once i got that into my head i've been much happier to do wot i am doing and this year has gone pretty well so far.

i dunno really if any of that helps u at all but ive had a tough time all in all at uni but ive come out the other end and its all worked out for the best so far, so i think my advice is to just stick with it mate


Posted by Frase on Feb-04-2005 05:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Absolut_Vodka
Frase, you're in coventry eh? what uni u at?


im at Coventry Uni pal


Posted by jon on Feb-04-2005 07:48:

I trasnfered courses (and uni's!). was doing maths at leeds uni transfered to retailing management at leeds met, both uni's were fine and I kept them both imformed of my reasons (thought maths sucked!) and kept them updated on my situation.

Had no problems with the loans company either, rang them up, had to fill out yet another form and they were happy

One thing that leeds met wanted me was not to have dropped out and have had sucesfull grades in my exams coursework, which I did luckally, so you may need to bend the truth on that one, though I guess each uni is different.


Posted by Acton on Feb-04-2005 11:19:

im duin Physics , coz im a fucking loonatic, dont do it ever, and i mean it. but i suppose it is the most sought after degree in the 'job' world,as well as being the best paid


i think you should stick to it as well, and work your little testicles off..


and i quote..
''no one ever said life was easy, but it has a way of sorting things out......so fuck it''

The Bible according to St. Acton (chapter 6, page 3, paragraph 4, verse 2, hymn 3, line 5)








Posted by Luke Terry on Feb-04-2005 13:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Acton
The Bible according to St. Acton (chapter 6, page 3, paragraph 4, verse 2, hymn 3, line 5)



Posted by snowman99 on Feb-04-2005 17:08:

I'm doing physics as well

i've found the 2nd year a lot easier than the 1st, mainly cos I now get virtually no coursework, so most of my time is 'free'. You gotta work a bit on your own, but nothing too hard, til exams get close at least, then you do. I'm sure itll be worth it after all...

Although I did hear that there are only 15,000 formal graduate jobs on offer, but nearly 3 times as many graduates....So stick with the decent degree


Posted by zag2me on Feb-04-2005 17:17:

quote:
''no one ever said life was easy, but it has a way of sorting things out......so fuck it''


Good One!!

I did a piss-easy course at uni, spent my entire time drinking and shagging birds. I did business systems, and really enjoyed it. But I had my ups and downs too, especially on the financial side. Stuck with it and passed with a 2:1

My advice, forget about jobs afterwars, its bullshit, employers dont look at specific degrees, they look at you and a degree gives you an advantage over the other guy. Do something you enjoy, but dont give something up because its "too hard" or you failed an exam, give it up because you want to.


Posted by Dervish on Feb-04-2005 17:43:

quote:
Originally posted by zag2me My advice, forget about jobs afterwars, its bullshit, employers dont look at specific degrees, they look at you and a degree gives you an advantage over the other guy.


Thats classic management student bs. If you want a graduate level job you need to do a decent degree. Professional jobs engineer, accountant, doctor, lawyer all need specific degrees.

Wee joke for you.

What does a management student say to you five years after they've graduated?


.....You want fries with that?

it's funny because it's true....

"management" love how people think it prepares them for anything, your a new graduate, you know nothing and yet your going to "manage" people with maybe 20 years experiance?

Don't get me wrong some of the degrees are difficult and with languages and certain other things they are valuable but management gets a high score on my joke degree list.

I.e. a management student I know did a "work placement" as a petrol pump atttendant....

I've done ones involving �250K project budgets (one of two gratuate engineers in a team of 4 or 5).

Uni is not a "life-experiance" in my view it's a ticket to decent jobs, a long series of hoops to jump through to get where you want to be. Not a large jolly. (having said that I used to piss about a fair bit too, never actually went to some classes... but I did a decent degree and finnished it)


Posted by Absolut_Vodka on Feb-06-2005 03:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
im at Coventry Uni pal


wicked, ill be staying in liberty park next year with some coventry uni students...


Posted by Ste on Feb-06-2005 10:45:

perhaps you should have a long hard look in the mirror when you're judging whether or not to do your uni degree based on how many birds and geeks there are doing it.


Posted by Ste on Feb-06-2005 10:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
And theres no maths in programming.


that has to be one of the funniest things ive heard all year.



but i'll put it down to the fact i know you probably mean really complicated maths.


Posted by *HaRRy* on Feb-06-2005 12:11:

3 hours a night of uni work? Oh poor you.... LAZY ******, TRY DOING MY COURSE THEN! I WORK FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS A NIGHT AFTER A 10 HOUR DAY!


Posted by Ste on Feb-06-2005 12:34:

quote:
Originally posted by *HaRRy*
3 hours a night of uni work? Oh poor you.... LAZY ******, TRY DOING MY COURSE THEN! I WORK FOR ABOUT 5 HOURS A NIGHT AFTER A 10 HOUR DAY!


told


Posted by Frase on Feb-06-2005 13:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Absolut_Vodka
wicked, ill be staying in liberty park next year with some coventry uni students...


unlucky

i live jus in the city centre, near to our uni's library if you know it?


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