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So If the EU Banned Nazi Symbols Why Can't They Ban Communist Symbols?

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EU ban urged on communist symbols A hammer and sickle symbol (file) MEPs say the hammer and sickle is a reminder of a totalitarian regime Several European Parliament members have urged the EU to match a proposed ban on Nazi signs with one on communist symbols like the hammer and sickle. The MEPs, from Lithuania, Estonia, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia, said communist symbols were a reminder of suffering under Soviet-era regimes. EU debate over Nazi symbols was fuelled by outcry after the UK's Prince Harry wore a swastika to a costume party. A spokesman said the EU had no plans to include communist signs in any new ban. 'Equal treatment' Possible measures forbidding Nazi symbols are to be discussed by EU members this month as part of proposed rules to outlaw xenophobia and racism across the 25-member bloc. Correspondents say any such ban would be fraught with difficulty. The group of centre-right MEPs put their case over communist symbols to EU justice and home affairs commissioner Franco Frattini. "We would like to have an equal treatment of the other evil totalitarian regime of the communist system," said Jozsef Szajer, a Hungarian MEP, according to the Associated Press news agency. Czech MEP Jan Zahradil agreed: "If we decide to ban one, we should decide to ban all of them." But Mr Frattini's spokesman, Frisco Roscam Abbing, said the commissioner felt it "might not be appropriate" to include communist symbols in the context of discussions on xenophobia and anti-Semitism. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4234335.stm

Weeee!! Let's ban anything related to free speech that's somewhat offensive to someone somewhere!

In all fairness, I hope the movement to ban political symbolism is merely respresentative of an extremist movement of parliament and that this isn't seriously being considered by the EU as a whole.

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Possible measures forbidding Nazi symbols are to be discussed by EU members this month as part of proposed rules to outlaw xenophobia and racism across the 25-member bloc.

I wish they would outlaw agoraphobia, fear of clowns, and unhappiness now that they are at it. I never foresaw that the solution to xenophobia would be so simple.

Those who rule symbols, rule us
--Alfred Korzybski

Gee, you Europeans must have that good-hearted wholesome feeling knowing that your federal tax money is being spent fueling these most enlightend of politicians.



I wish I knew politicians like those.. they could probably filibuster for months...


Enjoy the EU while you still can

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Originally posted by Yoepus Gee, you Europeans must have that good-hearted wholesome feeling knowing that your federal tax money is being spent fueling these most enlightend of politicians.

My thoughts exactly.

Re: So If the EU Banned Nazi Symbols Why Can't They Ban Communist Symbols?

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Originally posted by occrider Weeee!! Let's ban anything related to free speech that's somewhat offensive to someone somewhere! In all fairness, I hope the movement to ban political symbolism is merely respresentative of an extremist movement of parliament and that this isn't seriously being considered by the EU as a whole.

I wish that was so, but unfortunately, some countries actually did ban communist symbols, like Hungary for example.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Gee, you Europeans must have that good-hearted wholesome feeling knowing that your federal tax money is being spent fueling these most enlightend of politicians.

Absolutely, though probably not as wholesome of a feeling that you americans have for Dubya and his billion dollar WMD search.








Better post this here before its banned everywhere.

communism never launched a campaign of genocide specifically to eliminate a entire race of people, in which 12,000,000 were industrially killed like cattle.

Re: So If the EU Banned Nazi Symbols Why Can't They Ban Communist Symbols?

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Originally posted by occrider In all fairness, I hope the movement to ban political symbolism is merely respresentative of an extremist movement of parliament and that this isn't seriously being considered by the EU as a whole.

i really hope so too, the parliament has a lot of proposals that never goes through....

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: communism never launched a campaign of genocide specifically to eliminate a entire race of people, in which 12,000,000 were industrially killed like cattle.

Tell that to a Ukranian

Let's ban this f*cker instead...like permanently.




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that's so dumb. communism wasn't intended to bring about what people made it into. it had good intentions...good goals of equality. people just fucked it up. nazism is pure hatred and racism. but they're the same? people are DUMB.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa communism wasn't intended to bring about what people made it into. it had good intentions...good goals of equality.

Good goals such as the elimination of the bourgious as the scapegoat for societal problems? Hmmmm those good intentions remind me of some of the initial good intentions of national socialism. Funny how things have a way of turning out right? Also funny how good intentioned communism resulted in 5 times as many deaths as ill intentioned national socialism. But it's all about intentions and goals? Might want to read up on NSDAP history. Quite leftist in it's call for redistribution of income and war profits, profit-sharing in large industries, nationalization of trusts, increases in old-age pensions and free education. Unsurprisingly they're fundamentally very similar with one advancing unity under nationality whith the other advancing unity under the proletariat. And with all that unity, every other group in between is excluded.

They're political symbols. Banning them makes about as much sense as banning the confederate flag.

Well Im a Ukrainian and I can say from my experience nobody in Ukraine is against those symbols at all. In fact, they sell clothes with CCCP decals, and the hammer and sickle, Lenin's mug on it, I actually bought some reprint communist propaganda posters for my rooom on my last stay there. One has a picture of Stalin hugging a bunch of kids and the caption reads "Thank you Uncle Stalin for a wonderful childhood"

Maybe eastren europeans arent as anal retentive?

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Originally posted by Yoepus Gee, you Europeans must have that good-hearted wholesome feeling knowing that your federal tax money is being spent fueling these most enlightend of politicians. I wish I knew politicians like those.. they could probably filibuster for months... Enjoy the EU while you still can

Could be worse, our tax money could be being spent on some shitty little country in the Middle East resulting in a dramatic reduction of national security! Ha ha ha ha ha ha idiots!

On the subject...

This is competeley ridiculous to suggest the hammer and sickle should be banned. The hammer and sickle is the international symbol of communism, not Communism. And I love the way that a great deal of people in these ex-USSR countries wish they still were in the USSR! Bloody middle class wankers in the Parliament, its ok for them to be anti-USSR seein how they now have their well paid salaries in the EP but fuck the rest of your country who have been well and truely shafted by the great Western liberalism (you are now free to be poor and live in poverty - whoopy fucking do)

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Originally posted by George Smiley Could be worse, our tax money could be being spent on some shitty little country in the Middle East resulting in a dramatic reduction of national security! Ha ha ha ha ha ha idiots!

Ya, I know the UK would rather spend its tax money on some shitty big country in the Middle East resulting in a dramatic reduction of national security instead!

Come on .. seriously, you couldn't see that one coming?

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Originally posted by Yoepus Ya, I know the UK would rather spend its tax money on some shitty big country in the Middle East resulting in a dramatic reduction of national security instead! Come on .. seriously, you couldn't see that one coming?

How about when I said the same thing as him on the first page?
I love how you pick and choose what you want to respond to.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Ya, I know the UK would rather spend its tax money on some shitty big country in the Middle East resulting in a dramatic reduction of national security instead! Come on .. seriously, you couldn't see that one coming?

Hey, if Israel is too soft to take care of their own enemies then I guess its up to the REAL military forces of the UK to do it for you! Pussies! What you would give to have the SAS?!

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Originally posted by Cal How about when I said the same thing as him on the first page? I love how you pick and choose what you want to respond to.

What do you expect me to do? Change your mind?
Besides, you made a comment, you didn't ask a question.

Look, I was being sarcastically humorous/back-handidly insulting. You were just touting the same line we've heard from the left for oh I dunno four years or so now... You really need to learn how to use the language if you want a response. Perhaps try making an argument or say posing a question.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Hey, if Israel is too soft to take care of their own enemies then I guess its up to the REAL military forces of the UK to do it for you! Pussies! What you would give to have the SAS?!

What? Why would Israel need a scandinavian airline?! We have El-Al!

Plus who needs SAS when you have the best special ops in the world?!Or did you forget about this http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...000/2786967.stm and this
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...st/eichcap.html

What you gonna compare that too... what blowing up a dam in wartime?

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Originally posted by Yoepus What do you expect me to do? Change your mind? Besides, you made a comment, you didn't ask a question. Look, I was being sarcastically humorous/back-handidly insulting. You were just touting the same line we've heard from the left for oh I dunno four years or so now... You really need to learn how to use the language if you want a response. Perhaps try making an argument or say posing a question. What? Why would Israel need a scandinavian airline?! We have El-Al! Plus who needs SAS when you have the best special ops in the world?!Or did you forget about this http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...000/2786967.stm and this http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...st/eichcap.html What you gonna compare that too... what blowing up a dam in wartime?

If they're so hard how come they are so scared to go after a real army like the Iraqis? What? Because the insurgency in Iraq isn't full of defenceless 12 year old girls?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley If they're so hard how come they are so scared to go after a real army like the Iraqis? What? Because the insurgency in Iraq isn't full of defenceless 12 year old girls?!

Weren't not blood thirsty.

If you guys want more badly in the Iraqis then Israel, then by all means. Show it up to them 12 year old girls

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Originally posted by Yoepus What do you expect me to do? Change your mind? Besides, you made a comment, you didn't ask a question. Look, I was being sarcastically humorous/back-handidly insulting. You were just touting the same line we've heard from the left for oh I dunno four years or so now... You really need to learn how to use the language if you want a response. Perhaps try making an argument or say posing a question.

Hah thats the best you can do? That its a bad argument because its four years old?



The fact that some people, including myself, have been saying the truth about dubya and 'eye-raq,' which is only now after so many years entering the mainstream media , only adds embarrassment to the folly of all the bush supporters like yourself, who continue to suck his dick as he privately laughs at your stupidity.

all of you here suck

all of you people in here are dumb. instead of bragging around why dont you go back to your countries and help building it up in the east.

1. lets get this st8...politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2.
as the psychology goes... the loser of a war is always the stupid one...the winner will
never enrich the loser in any way.

2. nazism ... lets called it national solicalism if you ppl dont konw. intened to reestablish and profit for the one country. not only based on war and hatred how some ppl stated in here.

3. comunism is theory. it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and are not all the same. plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin. wonder why nobody brings that up...probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel.

i shouldnt even waste my time in here in those ignorant forums...damn you people have no life or idea of politics whatsoever

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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz all of you people in here are dumb. instead of bragging around why dont you go back to your countries and help building it up in the east. 1. lets get this st8...politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2. as the psychology goes... the loser of a war is always the stupid one...the winner will never enrich the loser in any way. 2. nazism ... lets called it national solicalism if you ppl dont konw. intened to reestablish and profit for the one country. not only based on war and hatred how some ppl stated in here. 3. comunism is theory. it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and are not all the same. plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin. wonder why nobody brings that up...probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel. i shouldnt even waste my time in here in those ignorant forums...damn you people have no life or idea of politics whatsoever

Well why don't YOU fuck of back to England, Ireland or Spain or wherever it is YOU come from and help build that country up!?

You talk some shit mate and that makes me chuckle seein as you proclaim everyone here is dumb and knows sod all bout politics (what makes you think your an expert anyway?!)

What the hell does "politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2" mean?!

And here's the icing on the cake that confines you to the waste basket of all those "dumb" people who try to talk about communism...

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comunism is theory

Bloody hell...so far so good...but...

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it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and ARE NOT ALL THE SAME

Why do people insist that communism means identicle clones?! But you dont stop there do you mate?!...

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plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin

And what exactly has the actions of this fascist, totalitarian dictator got to do with communism? [C]ommunism I will give you, but explain to me how Stalin's ideas of ruling a country fit in with MARXIST theory (thats communism with a little "c" if you didn't know)

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probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel

Er...nuff said really

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i shouldnt even waste my time in here

No...you shouldn't really should you?

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