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Posted by jacheatamobits on Feb-05-2005 00:21:

Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ack=1&cset=true

quote:
WASHINGTON -- Just hours before being sworn in for a second term, Vice President Dick Cheney raised the possibility Thursday that Israel "might well decide to act first" to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.


WHOA! how did i miss THAT one!?

are we talking about an air strike on a nuclear facility? I'd hate to be aywhere near Iran when this happens...

Cheney says Israel's justification is Iran's stated goal in destroying Israel...


Posted by Michael19 on Feb-05-2005 00:40:

can. worms. open.


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-05-2005 01:36:

Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by jacheatamobits
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ack=1&cset=true



WHOA! how did i miss THAT one!?

are we talking about an air strike on a nuclear facility? I'd hate to be aywhere near Iran when this happens...

Cheney says Israel's justification is Iran's stated goal in destroying Israel...

Actually, does any country in the Muslim world still have as a stated goal the destruction of Israel?


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2005 01:51:

Iran doesn't need nukes. We'd back up anyone destroying that capability.


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by wolverine16 on Feb-05-2005 02:16:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Iran doesn't need nukes. We'd back up anyone destroying that capability.


[[[smoke]]]


So North Korea's going too for the Axis of Evil trifecta? Kim Jong Il has turned into Mr. Burns when he made Don Mattingly cut his sideburns on the softball episode of the Simpsons. In NK you're now frowned upon for them, but they've got quite the nuke arsenal building up.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-05-2005 02:39:

If Iran gets attacked it'll be the end of Isreal as well.


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-05-2005 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
If Iran gets attacked it'll be the end of Isreal as well.

How do you mean?


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-05-2005 03:25:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
How do you mean?


Do you think Iran is gonna sit and watch Isreal bombing them?


Posted by habsfan on Feb-05-2005 03:40:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Do you think Iran is gonna sit and watch Isreal bombing them?


Iran has a powerful military. But Israel has an even more powerful military. Iran will put up a good fight, but if Israel really wants to, they will be able to bomb the known nuclear sites.

This is never gonna happen btw.


Posted by smokeape on Feb-05-2005 04:57:

Iran will roll over if Israel attacks them with 150,000 US troops next door. In Libya's come clean action we found out that they had weapons grade uranium imported from nK, which means nK had enough of the material to even export it. That should make us rethink the numbers of nuclear weapons nK could possess at the moment.


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Posted by ResonantDrag on Feb-05-2005 07:56:

quote:
Originally posted by habsfan
This is never gonna happen btw.


never say never.


Posted by Yoepus on Feb-05-2005 16:27:

Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Actually, does any country in the Muslim world still have as a stated goal the destruction of Israel?


Yea only about 10 or so though.

I heard a certain European country starting with a U ending with a K has this stated goal too ...


Posted by jacheatamobits on Feb-05-2005 17:08:

let's not forget that Israel ALREADY did something like this...

they did an air strike on a nuclear site in Iraq in the early 80's (correct me if i'm wrong)

and the pilot who flew the sortie (sp?) was on the Columbia, which broke apart during re-entry not too long ago (again, correct me if i'm wrong...)

btw, like it or not, the question isn't IF there will be a military strike in some form or another against Iran, it's WHEN...


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-06-2005 15:29:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Do you think Iran is gonna sit and watch Isreal bombing them?

I dont really think they have a choice. Not sure how many nukes Israel actually has but the whole point of nukes is not that they are used as an offensive weapon, but that they act as a detterent...therefore, if the theory remains sound, Iran has no choice but to sit back and watch Israel bomb its nuclear sites


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-06-2005 15:30:

Re: Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Yea only about 10 or so though.

I heard a certain European country starting with a U ending with a K has this stated goal too ...

Which 10? Just out of interest like...


Posted by Yoepus on Feb-06-2005 18:29:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Which 10? Just out of interest like...


Lets see, these are just off the top of my head:

Syria, Lebanon, PLO, Saudi Arabia, Iran,
UAE, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Algeria, Libya, Sudan. Well there you go, about ten or so.


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-06-2005 21:55:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Lets see, these are just off the top of my head:

Syria, Lebanon, PLO, Saudi Arabia, Iran,
UAE, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Algeria, Libya, Sudan. Well there you go, about ten or so.

Well the PLO do not have the stated aim of the destruction of Israel so did you make the other ones up as well? Can you give me the sources that say these countries have as an official policy the destruction of Israel?


Posted by Flotser on Feb-06-2005 21:59:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Well the PLO do not have the stated aim of the destruction of Israel so did you make the other ones up as well? Can you give me the sources that say these countries have as an official policy the destruction of Israel?


just something little from Google:
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/...hihab_11_03.htm


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-06-2005 22:14:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cheney: Israel might stop Iran

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
just something little from Google:
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/...hihab_11_03.htm

Ok thats one...(I'm not being funny btw, I am genuinely curious as to whether these states do actually have thius as an official policy)


Posted by donegalredneck on Feb-06-2005 23:05:

You can add me to the list if you like.

Does the US have nuclear weapons capabilities (like they reckon Iran and N. Korea have)?


Posted by habsfan on Feb-06-2005 23:10:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
I dont really think they have a choice. Not sure how many nukes Israel actually has but the whole point of nukes is not that they are used as an offensive weapon, but that they act as a detterent...therefore, if the theory remains sound, Iran has no choice but to sit back and watch Israel bomb its nuclear sites


So your saying that if Iran tries to defend itself that Israel will nuke them? Gimme a break.

Israel has enough problems as it is already. The last thing they're going to do is provoke the arab world even more.


Posted by George Smiley on Feb-06-2005 23:33:

quote:
Originally posted by habsfan
So your saying that if Iran tries to defend itself that Israel will nuke them? Gimme a break.

Israel has enough problems as it is already. The last thing they're going to do is provoke the arab world even more.

Whether or not Israel has enuf problems or not, it has bombed enemy nuclear reactors in the past (at a more dangerous era in strategic terms) and I have no doubts they would do it again to maintain the balance of power (in Israel's favour). I'm not saying Israel will use nuclear weapons against Iran, what I am saying is that Iran, altho it may attempt to defend its actual sites (anti-aircraft weapons or whatever) but Iran will be powerless to do anything else (launch attacks against Israel etc). In fact, if Israel uses ballistic missiles to bomb Iran's nuclear sites, then yes, Iran will have little chance but to sit back and watch them go (otherwise, as Israel is a nuclear state and Iran isn't, Iran would face 'assured destruction' if they did attempt to launch attacks against Israel)


Posted by Flotser on Feb-06-2005 23:46:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Whether or not Israel has enuf problems or not, it has bombed enemy nuclear reactors in the past (at a more dangerous era in strategic terms) and I have no doubts they would do it again to maintain the balance of power (in Israel's favour). I'm not saying Israel will use nuclear weapons against Iran, what I am saying is that Iran, altho it may attempt to defend its actual sites (anti-aircraft weapons or whatever) but Iran will be powerless to do anything else (launch attacks against Israel etc). In fact, if Israel uses ballistic missiles to bomb Iran's nuclear sites, then yes, Iran will have little chance but to sit back and watch them go (otherwise, as Israel is a nuclear state and Iran isn't, Iran would face 'assured destruction' if they did attempt to launch attacks against Israel)


i think it will be much more difficult this time to attack the nucleur sites. Iran learned the lesson of Iraq... i'm sure their facilities are well hidden\undergorund. and i guess they have several of them, not just one.


Posted by matty on Feb-07-2005 07:17:

Apparently Iran has a bunch pointed at Israel as well as all the US Military sites within reach. This comes from someone who has just recently been to Iran....


Posted by hardcore trancer on Feb-07-2005 09:18:

quote:
Originally posted by che
Apparently Iran has a bunch pointed at Israel as well as all the US Military sites within reach. This comes from someone who has just recently been to Iran....



Thats good to know


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