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The Revolution Is Coming

Hi all, you might not know me, but I have something to say.

I'm sick and tired of people walking all over me, of my government deciding how I live, and how I am seen by the rest of the world.

I want to put an end to racism, sexism, poverty, and all of societies ills.
I want to take the power back from the ones who are abusing it.

lofty goals you may say, but it CAN be done. This is the time RIGHT NOW, while your reading this.

Here are some quotes from some a friend of mine:

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Does it seem to you like there's a lot going on in the world right now? That feeling has been building here and strange things are popping up in many peoples lives? Have you noticed anything like that?

I bet you have.

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I'm starting to see a massive imbalance in the distribution of wealth over the planet lately so in the end the important thing is, I believe that I (and most of the oppressive western world) have way too much shit, and things are only useful when they're being used anyway. So fuck the stagnation of accumulation on bring on the rest of life!

this is only one person I talked to today about this. I've been having these discussions ever since the millenium, when I thought the world was going to end, but it didn't. ever since then, I have felt SOMETHING building. and this is it.


This earth has existed for a VERY long time, and will continue to exist for a long time. Humanity as a whole has went downhill in the last few years, and we have allowed ourselves to be placated by "the man", governments, the media, the mainstream, the establishment, whatever you want to call it.

We have allowed them to tell us what to eat, what to wear, what to do, what to buy, how to live, even what our religions are.

But, the balance of power is swinging back to the people now. All nations, all cultures, all religions, realize that it's all one in the same. There is no god, no buddha, no allah. It's all the same thing. Nature and technology, theology and science, they are all part of the same thing.

Everything I hear through "them", says we are all different. But when I talk to individuals, we all get it, and feel the same way.

The time has come for us to take this back. To make these changes. To take actions and send out the message of universal peace throughout the globe. To send a clear message to them that we will no longer take their shit shoved down our throats, and we will exist above them.

Right now is a time of transition, and you must be on the side of the good, or you will regret it very soon. We must prepare for the battle ahead friend. Let everyone know, do not be complacent, or lazy, or take the easy way out. Stand up for what you belive.

January 1st 2012, is when the traditional(out of sync) 12 month calendar, and the real 13 month calenday(in sync with the moon) will converge. At this point, the people on the good side will make the
switch. We will be about 32 years old by then. We will have the
power, the baby boomers long dead relics.

We can change this world, make it better, stop wars and hunger and hatred and religious squabbles. But it will take the dedication of hundreds of thousands of people, starting right NOW with me telling you.

Some are leaders. I am no leader, but I will do my part. I'm going to devote a website to this, it's been taking shape in my head for a few years now.

Which side are you on?

I have some ideas, let's hear yours, how can we make this world a better place?

you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
prove it.

email me at [email protected] if you want to help.

your name says it all....

jk

i don't want to pull the trigger. besides, i'm not that good of a sniper. but i'm in!

im on the winning side


WHAT!
why u all looking ta me that way...hey im italian its my nature to jump sides when the odds are in favor....


k fine ill join u guys..but i get to keep MY CAR!

Well, sah. Hehe..I must admit, you are raving. And you are a lunatic. But shit.. so am I.
I am not familiar w/ the 13 month cycle.. so I don't really understand the significance of it.. perhaps you can further explain?
Granted: WE might not be alive come 2012.. with the way shit's going down in the mid-east.
hehe, your theories remind me of the book The Stand by Stephen King.. Good vs Evil and all that fun stuff.
Alas, I think that the Man will only tighten his grip on society from hereon in, especially w/ the looming War. Perhaps there is something we can do.. but aside from a civil war, or a complete Anarchial society, someone has to be in charge.. and then the cycle begins again. So what do we do?

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. "
- Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

"Everything has been figured out, except how to live. "
- Jean-Paul Sartre

"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. "
- Mae West

And finally:

"Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them. "
- Samuel Palmer (1805-80) --hehe

Take em how you see em,
the black sun emperor

wow, those were some pretty powerful words there Raver
just too many for me to read


>JM<

ok label me a skeptic, but i think of this more as devils advocate...you speak of how the calendar will allow people to choose what is good in life, or at least this is what i understand. the nature of peoples interaction has been said to be based on conflict over resources, so is peace possible? also you speak of good and evil as universal, but is this true? all cultures could never agree on what is good/evil. people individually are thoughtful and rational (in their own minds) but in a group can act like scared animals...can 30 years make a difference? jus wondering...late/











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Originally posted by Juricimo wow, those were some pretty powerful words there Raver just too many for me to read >JM<

haha yea...the first one sounded good.

heheh..sum of what u're saying makes sense...alot...pm me sumtime d00d...maybe i mite be able to help with ur site..

peace

Nice responses guys..

and thanks for the quotes B.S.E, very sage words..
I am a raving lunatic, I did choose the name for a reason.
stay tuned people.

as for the 13 month calendar question.. the months were originally based on the moon circling the earth. the gregorian calendar is wrong, there are not 12 revolutions but 13.

there are 13 cycles of the moon in a year, 13 times the tides turn, and 13 times a woman bleeds. it is precisely every 28 days, with one day left over, for the world to come together.

go ahead do the math, watch the moon.

Re: The Revolution Is Coming

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic Right now is a time of transition, and you must be on the side of the good, or you will regret it very soon. We must prepare for the battle ahead friend

Is this the way of good? Does good hold a grudge?

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic There is no god, no buddha, no allah. It's all the same thing. Nature and technology, theology and science, they are all part of the same thing. January 1st 2012, is when the traditional(out of sync) 12 month calendar, and the real 13 month calenday(in sync with the moon) will converge. At this point, the people on the good side will make the switch.

So you're telling us to abandon religion and societal structures, yet base the day of your revolution on the gregorian calendar (arguably the most powerful societal structure in the west) and nature religion.

Depending on the methods used for achieving the revolution you're no better than any other fundamentalist aspiring to ascribe their set of values onto the rest of the world. The beauty of the way the system works today is that people with peaceful intentions can do with their *own* life what they want.

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The beauty of the way the system works today is that people with peaceful intentions can do with their *own* life what they want.

Well yeah, that's the benefit of capitalism in theory, but it doesn't actually quite work that way when there is such a misbalance of power world-wide.

Don't get me wrong, I do condone capitalism. Everyone under a capitalist system is, regardless of what's going on around them, ultimately responsible for what they become. Socialism deprives individuals of this freedom, strips you of choice, which is why I could never advocate it. But then again, the capitalism of the western world is slightly different to the idealogical one portrayed in economics text books. As someone who works for a large corporation - at the wrong end of it - and as someone who has two parents who work for large corporations, I am in a fairly good position to explain exactly why this corporate mentality is unhealthy.

Firstly it lends itself perfectly to the propogation of inethical activities. It rewards those who are unafraid to trample over others to get to the top and it dehumanises us all. The human beings working for these organisations - the ones who are not in management anyway - are treated like robots. Each one faceless, each regarded as little more than a tool that can be utilised to contruct greater profits. Trust me, that's how I feel every day. And the standards are hypercritical - they have a right to exploit you and demand inexorbinent expdenditures of time and effort from you, but you do not have the same rights to reproach them in the same way. Case in point: we have security cameras at my work. They are supposedly there to record any robberies, or anything else similar that may occur, but if this is true then they are quite useless. To my best estimates, I would be quite suprised if they record 50% of all activities. How do I know this? Because I suspected that I had been robbed - there was a large amount money missing from my till that couldn't be accounted for - and when I requested that someone view the footage to ascertain what had happened I was informed that the time period in question had "been taped over". We only use 1 hour tapes you see, and when the end of the tape is reached it simply rewinds and starts recording over the old footage if there is no-one there to change it. Thus, unless someone is constantly monitoring all the survailence cameras from all the stores live in H/O then you have a 50% chance of robbing the store and not being caught.

So what's the point of all this then? Well, it seems quite convenient that they should have enough footage of my shifts left over at the end to review it in head office and assess my performance. They then feel it is perfectly okay to use this invasion of privacy as a motivational tool, giving me an assessment based on this patchwork footage once every couple of months. Thus, I honestly believe that the primary reason that those cameras are there is to monitor every employee caught in its glassy eye, to ensure that their performance is up to the standards required by the shit pay they give us in the first place.

But, my main reason for for bringing this up, in my argument against capitalism, is that it doesn't work the other way. Would the CEO's like every one of their actions to be judged and critiqued by the employees? No. The higher up in the capitalism food chain you are, the more above reproach you are, the less accountable you are for your actions. If there's ever a problem in the organisation, it is invariably the employees who bear the full brunt of the force. If there's money problems, the quick solution is to just sack a few employees, ensuring that the guys at the top don't have to dock any of their rapidly inflating wages. It's not a moral game. Corporatism is an ugly blotch on the face of humanity and I don't think it can last like this for ever. I don't disagree with the concept of corporations having said that, but I do disagree with the way it operates now. All these anti-capitalism riots going on across the world are only going to intensify as long as the inhuman coporate mentality is welcomed by the western world, and allowed to exist above reproach.

And, erm, I hope all that had something to do with the topic at hand.

Yes, that had everything to do with the topic at hand.

I work in an office as well, not a large corporation, only 15 people or so, we build websites. but I understand you, even in my small little corner of the world, the bosses look down on the people.

they use us for their gain. this is not how it should be people!

capitalism and democracy as a system have made this world what it is.. that isn't to say that socialism, or even communism is the way to go either. all systems of government are inherently flawed, and to tell the truth the system we have here is a pretty good one.

I can freely talk about this, with no fear of retribution from the government. that alone is worth keeping democracy.
I can invent a brilliant device and become rich of it as well..
another good thing.

anyway, my plan is not to scrap capitalism and democrazy, but to have something ABOVE it.

This is my plan. An organization above governments, above countries and religions. essentially a worldwide club for peaceful people. a sort of global ethics committe. where EVERYONE has equal say. you put forth suggestions, and people vote on them. once a decision is made, everyone tries to enforce it. with hundreds of thousands of people speaking as one, we can beat them! the governments and established leaders are few, we are many.

The most important thing is to live your life in a peaceful manner. the process is already started.

trancaholic

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Is this the way of good? Does good hold a grudge?

no, good does not hold a grudge. you will regret being passed by, you will regret not standing up for what you believe.

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So you're telling us to abandon religion and societal structures, yet base the day of your revolution on the gregorian calendar (arguably the most powerful societal structure in the west) and nature religion. Depending on the methods used for achieving the revolution you're no better than any other fundamentalist aspiring to ascribe their set of values onto the rest of the world. The beauty of the way the system works today is that people with peaceful intentions can do with their *own* life what they want.

No, you don't have to abandon your religion, or quit your oppressive job. this is above all that. you only have to live your own life peacefully as you said, this system allows that so do it.

the problem being that the peaceful people are many and meek, and the oppressive people are few, but strong.

as for the methods to acheive the revolution, read my previous message. I am not trying to ascribe my values onto the rest of the world. I am trying to create a way for the collective values of everyone, you included, to be known and carry some weight with the powers that run the world.

Hehe yes, very Stephen King - The Stand. Great piece of writing though. Also, a book everybody has heard of but not many bothered to read; George Orwell - 1984. The last half is the best as it explains the thinking (and scarily enough sense) behind the social structure outlined in the story.

w000t! kinda high , that thread- but very interesting, a philosophical thread.
i didnt get u fully tho.
whats your POINT exactely. What(!) do u WANT what do u DISlike today and HOW do u wanna achieve ur goals.
At first it seemed to me that u watched a little bit too often "Fight Club" ..but okay..
What is it that u criticize? Capitalism? Religion? The whole Evolution? The Modern Technology? Politics?
And why that predicition in the end? That makes the, in fact very serious post, a lill' bit ridiculous.
Let's leave Nostradamus-or-moon-calneder-shite aside and concentrate on your questions and asumptions.

I think that every human being is just a brick in the wall(dont laugh) and im not sure if one brick can change the whole wall, or even slightly affect it. And i assume that if u destroy the wall as it is now, it will rebuilt itself exactely the same way.

my goal is to make the world a better place.

about the calendar, your right, it's meaningless, jan 1st 2012 is just another day. it's only when we started counting right?

but it's the symbolism. the way that our society has made us believe the 12 month calendar, when really there are 13 months, is a symbol of how they tell us what is and what isn't. they tell us that we like pepsi, so we drink it.

but I don't even like pepsi! I want water! where is the advertising campaign for that?

I am just another brick in the wall, but I am gong to make a difference, or at least ruffle some feathers.

hm, well saying that it all sucks and that the world's unfair is quite easy...of course a lot of it sux but i once in a while think about the GOOD things done and developed which makes me hope.

they "they tell us what to do" thingy is a bit exaggerated and simplificized(DAMN is it THAT word??). Pepsi is a company aiming to make profit. they do it by promotion and its ur problem if u let them brainwash you or not..

Yes, there are many good things in this world, it is not all bad.

I don't let pepsi brainwash me. but some people do, because they don't know any better. I'm not saying we should march into corporate headquarters of pepsi and demand they stop advertising. nor do I think they should be able to make money.

what I want, is for the people to have their own advertising. where we can send out the message that water is way better for you. where we can tell people that diet pepsi contains aspartame, and it's very bad for you.

since we managed to establish DEMOCRACY in some parts of the world u can always go into ploitics and spread ur messages, aint nothing easiert than that,,
actually...why not open some huge international Trance-Party?

http://educate-yourself.org/nwoindex.html

1984 was a fucking awesum book...

i agree with renegade and ravinglunatic, thats one reason i left my previous job...and i've decided that my next job better be one in which i dont have sum1 above me constantl watching me and just waiting for me to make sum mistake so he/she can fuckin fire me...hehhehh....

hey i remembered a quote from george orwell, my fave quote:

"during times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"..

peace

thanks for the link DJ sean! very interesting.

Shit. These threads always make everyone post their deep deep thoughts on life, and their views on the world's revolution.. and it makes my eyes hurt!..hehe..not from the ideas, but rather all the damn words!

Yes, 1984 was amazing, and oddly enough, not many people have read it. Animal Farm was another amazing book, one that I think has more relevance to this topic than the former. If you guys haven't read it yet, I highly suggest it..quite insightful..makes me wonder what Orwell knew that we didn't.

But yeah, RAvingLunatic, if you want to start a World Revolution, you can damn well count me in! I'm always up for a little anarchy! Seriously though, I'm down w/ it, hehe..

I'm interested in why you believe the Beginning of the End (or Beginning of the New Beginning?..) will start in 2012.. what is the significance of this date?.. you may have mentioned it in one of your prior posts, but I'd rather not read them all again!

anyhoo, check out Animal Farm, guys..

BSE

response?

water isnt advertised because it is ESSENTIAL for life, not because pepsi has too much money or something...i dont really know how this went from changing the world to challenging pepsi. how has pepsi brainwashed anyone? capitalism is built on supply and demand, pepsi is popular because people buy it. the cans are red white and blue, its just like coke, it has caffeine in it...what bearing does this have on anything?
you speak of people being left behind, regretting they didnt follow their beliefs, but really this would just be those who didnt follow, YOUR beliefs. and even assuming your voice was heard outside of this forum, and you gained power or momentum, then almost immediately there would be those that oppose your view point - or at least your means of obtaining utopia.
and remember:
'captialism is the worst form of government - besides all the other ones...' - winston churchill
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