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http://www.lokitorrent.com/

i think they will eventually do this to all the torrent sites (just i hope not ************* )


do u think their serious about their msg?? i mean how many 23434243 of ppl download off these sites. its not like im the only one, so why should i be afraid for them to catch me? its so stupid. wut do u think

Dude, what the FUCK.

That suckx. Goddamn MPAA or whatever, fuck 'em!

where they fall.. others shall rise

ya i guess it really sucks that when you have an open wireless network with no security features enabled ANYONE can log on and download ANYTHING without your knowledge so you cannot really be held accountable for that can ya?

Public trackers

Also, what dEsidEL said.

It is rather unlikely that ************* will go down. If it will go down, it will be if I choose not to run the site anymore, and not by threats from the RIAA or the MPAA. They have no juristiction on me. Secondly, since we do not deal with "warez" such as games, movies, applications, there is alot less focus on TT vs. some other sites such as suprnova and torrentbits.

Secondly, perhaps 5% of the content we provide is sold in stores in the US - and maybe even less that is presented by the music labels here. We do not offer Britney Spears or Metallica, alot of the music artists make their money outside the US as far as trance in concerned.

A few mixes have been posted up by "Highfish records" - and then we were contacted by the owner of this label which happened to find the mix on our tracker. We received a message from him, and you know what he said? I really love this site, and you guys are free to post all my stuff, just pass along the link to my company's website.

This is the attitude that more people should aim towards, coming onto sites and saying you are 100% AGAINST file-sharing, or you are 100% FOR file-sharing is a bit closed-minded. We should try and find a good middle-ground where both sides can enjoy the benefit of this technology.

I will not post any links to my tracker because I did the same on DJMixes2K and I've been very rudely warned and told of how they feel about my site, and that it is people like me who will be the end of trance music. Needless to say that was very childish and ignorant, but I hope more people can see the good, and not just the bad in what we do here, thanks for the time

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Originally posted by nycionx i think they will eventually do this to all the torrent sites

For sites that offer illegal downloads they damn well should.

What part of "The illegal downloading of motion pictures (and music) robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood" don't you understand?

All so true

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker For sites that offer illegal downloads they damn well should. What part of "The illegal downloading of motion pictures (and music) robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood" don't you understand?

I'm with u wabbit

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker For sites that offer illegal downloads they damn well should.

Except that the sites don't offer downloads, just hashes and links. The question arises as to who's liable here - by RIAA/MPAA logic, the sale of blank media might as well be made illegal because it *could* be used to make illegal copies.

I'm not trying to say that it's "right" for artists to be bilked out of their potential earnings in this way (which is a dubious claim anyway, but let's not go there), but the fact of the matter is that torrent sites have absolutely zero liability for the files people get through them. Site operators have no knowledge of the content that passes through them because they don't HOST any content! The sites don't host the files, they just provide a means to search for them - sorta like how an afterhours club is a convenient place to search for drugs.

This isn't about starving artists - the MPAA doesn't care about them. This is about a decaying industry flexing its corporate muscle in a vain attempt to retain its stranglehold on consumers.

As an example of the above, consider this: someone I work with has a few friends that run torrent sites, and one of them got a cease-and-desist order from the "Association". He e-mailed them back, stating that he doesn't control the files that are advertised, but he would be happy to filter the offending/illegal content should the Association provide him with a list. All he got was a curt reply saying that the information is on their site. It's certainly not there in any usable format.

The fact of the matter is, the RIAA/MPAA have time and again demonstrated their complete unwillingness to actually help networks and site operators filter out illegal content. They aren't interested in protecting the wallets of their signees - all they're interested in is using warped interpretations of the law as means to destroy any technology which they perceive as a potential threat to their business success.

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Originally posted by nycionx http://www.lokitorrent.com/ i think they will eventually do this to all the torrent sites (just i hope not ************* )

The Lokitorrent suit might have been a hoax. /. covered this here:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=.../1912208&tid=95

/. source:
http://earthreactor.com/index.php?n...iewtopic&p=2146

Was the Lokitorrent Suit a Hoax?
Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday February 24, @04:31PM

kamhp writes "Recently earthreactor.com published an article stating that the whole Loki Torrent suit was a fraud and that it was all staged to collect donations toataling in the tens of thousands then sell the domain. "It seems that the owner of LokiTorrent decided to take the donation money and run, and to cover his tracks, scare the hell out of the entire p2p community. The scare tactic was probably nothing but a decoy to convince intelligent people not to ask the right questions" "

The world has yet to see any independantly-proven facts that the actors are loosing millions because joe blow and his 10 friends decided to download an album from the net.

I dont know how the RIAA can take it upon themselves to release figures of sales that COULD HAVE happened, vs. those that actually did.

Did anybody see any decline in the number of movies or music released this year as opposed to the number of movies released 5 years ago? Clearly if they have been loosing millions for a number of years, the artist's could not possibly afford to make music anymore, is this not true?

And when I pay $20+ to see a movie at a theatre, why do they still need to tell me file-sharing is bad? I already paid didn't I ?!

Now please consider this scenario, tomorrow the RIAA/MPAA suddenly vanish, they go out of bussiness because they didn't get their billions that they didnt loose in the first place. Can anybody here tell me that they truly believe you would never see another movie EVER made again? Do you not think another bussiness model would emerge that would feed off of the technology right now? Would there really be no more funding for movies/music, this would be basically the end and last era of all known forms of electronic entertainment? I highly doubt that.

Movies and music was made, produced, and listened to long before any of these multi-billion dollar organizations decided to charge people for their "service". And what has the RIAA done for YOU lately? Not the artist, I specifically mean "YOU" - when have they done something positive for the community? Do you really think an artist cannot get its work out to the masses through other means? With so many possibilities now, artists are choosing the apple's ipod alternative, or going solo without the need for music labels.

Since the artist's get only a small FRACTION of the profits from the sales, and the RIAA gets the biggest chunk of the money, who stands to loose more, the RIAA or the artists? Yea I thought so.

I dont know why people are fighting so much to defend organizations that feel like they have a service for us that we actually dont need. You pay them, then someone thinks they pay them too much - they try alternatives, and they are thrown in jail, why do people get thrown in jail and fined? Because the RIAA has alot of income from people who dont see the real picture.

The RIAA provides us with a service that we dont need, yet we pay for it. Who on here can raise their hand and say they have been introduced to any of their favourite music artists because of the RIAA? I doubt the number would be high. I didnt like the music I was offered, I looked elsewhere, and I found what I liked - yet the RIAA would love to throw me in jail, because I didnt take the path that they had layed out for me with the money that they took from YOU.

ur right zdrux about it all

The RIAA is like any other corporate machine... completely psychopathic and uncaring about the welfare of any other entity, whether it be the artists, the consumers, or the people operating the torrent sites.

I agree wholeheartedly with DigiNut... tell the RIAA to put the damn blame where it lies and quit whining about it.

What's the deal with selling your creativity anyway? The best music is made by people who aren't gonna make a fortune from it. As soon as money becomes the motivator, the product sways away from the best it could be and towards the most marketable, cost-efficient, and profitable it could be. I honestly wish that the entire film and music industry collapsed and left nothing but the independant companies and labels. We can only hope.

So it's ok for them to mass produce SHIT and sell it to the market, (hard working people), for a rediculous price?

There needs to be some type of compromise.

Sites that provide services to collaborate theft should be shut down.

If the product is shit and the price is too high - then don't buy it. But don't STEAL it either. Using Theresa's logic: if the shitty chocolate bar is too expensive (has low value) than stealing it from the corner store is ok.

Yes - if you steal music, people don't get paid. Every time you steal an album that my brother gets points on, he doesn't get paid. So you think the album is too expensive @ $9.99 - fine - but do you think it's fair to steal wages and compensation from people like my brother who puts in 16 hour days for 6 months straight to complete and album?

I think you'd all be surprised with the economics of the record business. Obviously none of you here have any clue on the cost of a CD and how it gets split up.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Sites the provide services to collaborate theft should be shut down.

I fail to see how this assertion can possibly stand up in cases where the sites have agreed to filter the content in question but the RIAA has refused to cooperate in providing a usable list or database. Surely they could invest their vast billions of dollars in technological, human and financial assets to come up with an ASCII text file containing the names of their protected artists, records and songs? I'm sure they probably have a master database somewhere (or more likely, several of them) that they could simply export from.

I'm the last person you'll EVER hear say that stealing is justified if the product is overpriced. I don't believe that when it comes to overzealous government policy, and I don't believe it when it comes to music, film, or software piracy.

My debate, however, has nothing to do with the ethics of what the users or sites are doing. My point is that the RIAA is simply not acting in good faith.

To sum it up, they missed the boat on the hottest technologies like MP3 and P2P, and THAT'S what's costing them sales, not the fact that they're being distributed illegally or unethically in this way. They can try to wet their feet in it now by acquiring assets of online distributors where you pay 10 cents for a track (which I think they've been trying to do), but just because they let their industry grow stagnant instead of getting on the ball with new technology does not give them an excuse to start suing and/or threatening everyone in sight. The courts are tied up with enough frivolous lawsuits already, they don't need this crap.

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Did anybody see any decline in the number of movies or music released this year as opposed to the number of movies released 5 years ago? Clearly if they have been loosing millions for a number of years, the artist's could not possibly afford to make music anymore, is this not true?

5 years ago there was much more creativity being pumped out. Coincidentally, Napster made it debut to the public.

Sadly, in the past 5 years, artists in generally have lost alot of creativity, and are scared of being sued for copying someone else. On the industry side of things, this looks pretty bad to the execs. So of course, they blame the file sharers and the Torrent heads for the decline in sales.

It's the same story with Global warming. The majority says it's the polluter's fault, then there's that small group of scientists that say it's just that time in the earth's life.... i'm not sure how I got on this topic...

I feel sorry for the artist's not the pig corporate monger's that are still making millions's on million's of dollars despite the recent explosion of file sharing. Despite the music and film industry's cries
that they are losing money, they very well may be losing some money but yet they still boast multi-million dollar profits each quarter. They only raise this point so the can increase the cd / dvd price, give less to the artists and line their pockets with their insatiable greed. The artist usually get not even a dollar for every CD sold. In Fact they may only make enough money to just survive for the first serveral releases.

The reason DL is currently not a real issue for the music and film industry is because 85-90% of music (cd) sales is in a market of kid's ages 13-18 years old who cry until their parents buy them that Brittany Spears on Nsync Piece o' Crap.
The fear in the corporate music industry is when these kids grow up and start listening to real music and realize they could have DL the crap for free if only mommy and daddy would have gotten them a computer and a HS connection for Christmas, where will they be.

Althought when you boil it down it is still theft and there is no justification for it, well then all those who have never dl a song, program, video, or software program going back to the days of napster and kazaa raise their hands. All those who have never taped vinyl onto Cassette tape raise thier hands, or that favorite television show you just could not make it home in time for! All those with their hands up god bless you. All the rest shame on you!

In addition, when it comes to modern electronica, just goto HMV and try and find alot of the atrist's enjoyed by all TA's. Good Luck, But Brittany, Cristina, Usher and Justin No problem.
It's much easier to DL it and no problem to find it! Maybe if the material was resonably priced and available more people would buy it!

What it comes down to is once again, the big guy's (sony) laugh all the way to the bank and the little guy's (the artist's, us) get it in the A**.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL where they fall.. others shall rise

Well put.

The only way not to get caught is to stop.

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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Originally posted by SkyHigh The only way not to get caught is to stop. HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Sorry but we still fortunatly have a little thing called
the privacy act in Canada!!!

For now anyways...

fuck the MPAA, since when was grossing 350 million at the box office not enough proffit for one movie. their stuntmen and camera operators can fuckin blow me. if they started making some half decent movies instead of this blubbering teen crap they have been shelling out lately. maybe i would actually pay to see a movie instead of either renting it and burning it or downloading it.

Make Quality products and ill buy the shit. I remember the early 90's where i spent 20 bucks or more on cd's that had one good song on it...and i have this huge cd collection from that era...now im more selective...i like one song i dont go out and by the album, i download it and listen to it..and you know what if i like more of the artists songs i buy the album and put it on my ipod. The radio does the same thing. We all used to tape shit but that was ok. BUt now the burning of songs is of equal quality to the original recording, so the music industry is like "hey we want are money now that you can get our product the same quality without buying it".

File sharing has opened my music world to places in ever would of experienced...living in North America its all crap rap shit on the radio and its hard to experience different music tastes..

Hollywood movies suck ass anyway, like theres never anything intelligent to rent at blockbuster...so i dont even watch many movies anymore.

My point is, make quality products, remove capitialism from art and maybe just maybe ill buy things again. Cause hearing that Britney Spears needs more money, or Tiesto needs a new house, so start paying for songs is bullshit. Its like a hockey player asking for 12.5 million dollars a year to play a stupid game...

Arsondude

I think people would be and are much more willing to spend money on an album if the album is providing the quality that the consumer deserves.

I think that file sharing is a way for people to test out if they like an artists music, and when they decide, they can make an effort to collect and support their work.

Sure this isn't always the case, however there ARE still people supporting their favourite artists.

Maybe if these big greedy-ass record companies weren't quickly throwing shit onto CD's half the time to mass produce and sell them for as much money as they can, leaving the buyer's disappointed with where their hard earned money went, people wouldn't be so inclined to "steal" the songs first.

There have been many times where I bought a CD, and the one song I knew I liked was on it, and the rest were garbage. I wasted $25 on a coaster!

Record companies need to start selling QUALITY work, stuff people will enjoy, or the people wont want to buy it.

I have discovered more artists through Kazaa, DC++ etc. then I ever would. I do not watch TV at all, and I rarely listen to the radio. If it hadn't been for file sharing, I wouldn't be the TranceAddict I am today.

I think that file sharing is making music better for the consumers, and that, in my opinion, is what is most important. Finally, people are getting the music they want, and not the shit that they feed us.

On the other hand, I don't think it is fair for the little guys on the food chain.

I dunno, for me I am torn in two ways. I do have an idea though that would really help solve this problem. However, I think I would need to get in touch with someone in a higher position to get it into action.

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