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I want to use ableton for sampling/looping in our mixes.

How can I set this up both for tt's as well as Traktor/FS?

For using it with traktor, is it possible to run both ableton and traktor at the same time(say, with dual monitors)?

Does ableton beatmatch for inputs from outside sources(from the mixer or traktor)?

The sound card (firewire audiophile) has two rca outs, 1 rca in. I was thinking that I could use one of the outs to the speakers, and send the other rca out from traktor to the rca in, using that input for processing in ableton. Ableton's out would be the one out to the speakers. Would this work at all? I'm not at home, so I can't test it right away.

My search function is NOT working btw.

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Originally posted by Benjamin B I want to use ableton for sampling/looping in our mixes. How can I set this up both for tt's as well as Traktor/FS? For using it with traktor, is it possible to run both ableton and traktor at the same time(say, with dual monitors)? Does ableton beatmatch for inputs from outside sources(from the mixer or traktor)? The sound card (firewire audiophile) has two rca outs, 1 rca in. I was thinking that I could use one of the outs to the speakers, and send the other rca out from traktor to the rca in, using that input for processing in ableton. Ableton's out would be the one out to the speakers. Would this work at all? I'm not at home, so I can't test it right away. My search function is NOT working btw.

ok first off, this question should really be put in the production forum as ableton is an audio sequencer and not an actual Djing program.

as for your question, ableton will have no beatmatching abilities whatsoever, it does have tempo control, but it wil not be able to compare 2 sources and line them up for u.

when you are talking about using traktor and ableton at the same time with dual monitors i assume you mean PC monitors and not booth monitors. and to answer your question, yes you can under 2 cirsumstances. 1. make sure your comupter can handle the work load, the last thing you want is to lock up or crash your system from putting too much of a strain on it during a gig. 2. make sure you have the hardware wired up right.

as for actually setting this whole thing up hardware wise, im assuming you have a DJ mixer and a couple TTs and finalscratch. so the easiest and most efficient way will be to set up your TTs and FS box the way you normally would and run your audiofile box through your effects loop. taking the effects send from your mixer to the input on the firewire, and the output from the firewire to the return on your mixer. it would help to know what kind of mixer you have because not all of them have FX loops.

once you have this done, you can send the audio from any channel (TT, CDJ, FS, whatever) to ableton, record (sample) it, and play it back using any effects you want.

The best way to get Ableton to line up with the music playing out is using a MIDI clock signal. A mixer with this built in would make you life easy (Ecler Nuo-5) but you can probobly find another way to get a MIDI clock going and matched up with your records.

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Originally posted by Vero ok first off, this question should really be put in the production forum as ableton is an audio sequencer and not an actual Djing program.

Not trying to be an ass here, but you don't consider G&D DJ's? They only use ableton now if my sources are correct.

And I wasn't talking about using it as a sequencer, I was talking about it in the context of it being an effects machine .

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Originally posted by Benjamin B Not trying to be an ass here, but you don't consider G&D DJ's? They only use ableton now if my sources are correct.

id correct his statement so it reads:

"ableton is a live audio sequencer and not an actual Djing program."

it wasn't designed to simply mix records with, but you can with the warping features to get tracks lined up. or if you are sasha just get the .wav files from the producer heh

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Originally posted by mikefasssy or if you are sasha just get the .wav files from the producer heh

Or if your not sasha order WAV files from beatport.com or FLAC (lossless audio codec) files from EDMDigital.com

so if I'm using a Xone 92...I can use the midi clock button to send my desired BPm to Ableton and it'll adjust the tempo of the samples I'm using accordingly?

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Originally posted by zizack so if I'm using a Xone 92...I can use the midi clock button to send my desired BPm to Ableton and it'll adjust the tempo of the samples I'm using accordingly?

That's how it is supposed to work

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Originally posted by wong Or if your not sasha order WAV files from beatport.com or FLAC (lossless audio codec) files from EDMDigital.com

The thing is these guys are not just using one WAV file for the song, they have one for the bassline, another for the drums, another for the lead, etc. It makes it basically impossible for bedroom DJs to replicate it (using mainstream songs).

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Originally posted by wong Or if your not sasha order WAV files from beatport.com or FLAC (lossless audio codec) files from EDMDigital.com

yea but he gets individual track files, bassline midi files etc

josh gabriel was telling me thats is really easy to mix with ableton, it just takes some time to get used to it (like everything of course)
and if they are djs or not.....well technology DOES move forward...so sasha cant be a dj now coz he is using ableton? same goes for j00f and armin....

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Originally posted by mikefasssy yea but he gets individual track files, bassline midi files etc

That is true, but I don't think he gets them for every track he plays. So he probably has a team of people cut up the track into bars (or whatever seems logical). I have been trying to do this strategy. It takes a lot of time but its worth it, plus I don't have a team of people helping me out. What I have been doing is (example):

intro - 1 bar
intro (beat) - 3 bars
intro (beat-end) - 1 bar
intro (break) - 1/2 bar
core (beat) - 1 bar
core (all) - 60 bars
break 1 - 1 bar
break 2 - 2 bars
end (beat) - 1 bar
end (beat-end) - 1 bar

Some are used as loops (all the ones with (beat)) and others are just played out after being triggered manually or with using the ableton function: Follow Action. This way is really fun to dj with, but is very time consuming to cut all your tracks up!

I couldn't get the setup to work as I'd hoped in terms of running fs and ableton at the same time, there were problems with ableton using the same sound card outs as fs, and I couldn't figure how to get around it. If anyone has experience setting this up, please share or pm me, as I am hopelessly stupid when it comes to this stuff.

Anyway, I was just reading on the ableton forums about mixing with ableton and it seems to me it just boils down to perfecting your 'warp marking' technique. I'm sure it's been talked about before in here... I guess this will be my project for the weekend.

Armin's using Ableton now?

no he doesnt
he is using it only for his radioshow and he will use to mix his new cd

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