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Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 06:09:

Dear French Canadians.......

Do you think this is fair?


http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Toron...933499-sun.html

GO's signs go French
LANGUAGE LAWS WILL COST SYSTEM $8.5M
By JASON BOTCHFORD, TORONTO SUN

GO TRANSIT is being forced to spend millions of dollars to put up French-language signs in places like Toronto, Brampton and Mississauga. Board chairman Gordon Chong said yesterday GO had little choice when it budgeted more than $8.5 million for the next three years to comply with the French-Language Services Act. After 2007, GO is budgeting an additional $2 million a year dedicated to upkeep on those French-language signs in English-speaking Ontario municipalities.

"It's definitely not a practical use of our money," Chong said. "We're not sure precisely why we have to comply because the fact is I doubt there are many people in the GTA who don't speak English."

The office of Francophone affairs has given GO Transit three years to comply with requirements in the act. Chong said GO fell under the act in 2001 after the provincial government took control.

A clause in the act requires a number of the province's cities, including Toronto, Mississauga and Brampton, to display traffic signs in both English and French. Chong said GO will have to change signs in those municipalities and likely many more to have a uniform system that complies with the act. "There are pockets in the province where it would make sense but it doesn't make sense to do it in the GTA," Chong said.

GO budgeted as much as $6.5 million for the capital costs needed to change the signs during 2005-2007. Another $2 million has been set aside for the operating budget during the same time frame. The ministry of transportation and the Francophone affairs office must still sign off on the GO compliance plan before it can be implemented.

NO WAY AROUND LAW

Gabriel Manseau, a spokesman for the Francophone affairs office, said there was no chance GO would be able to get around the current law.

"(For GO to be exempt) you would have to revisit the law,"Manseau said. "The way it is now is the way it was passed and it was passed unanimously in 1996."

Chong said there was a sliver of hope GO would not have to change its signs. He said the board is now appointed by the province but if that structure was somehow changed there is a chance the transit system would no longer fall under the languages act.


Posted by Marcus007 on Feb-18-2005 06:16:

See how much they'd make off Quebec! TENS of millions! I doubt they'll mind it in the long run.

I'm also stoned right now so ummmm, if nothing I'm saying makes sense then yeah....


Posted by DJ Charlie on Feb-18-2005 06:42:

Good ! a plus for their culture.
learning to speak many language is a great tool


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 06:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Charlie
Good ! a plus for their culture.
learning to speak many language is a great tool


glad to see you're doing your part with the Quebec Language Law and all...


Posted by RazerYokes on Feb-18-2005 10:53:

Insignifiant


Posted by SiM Pe�Rf on Feb-18-2005 14:00:

learn french suckers...learn it

un peu de culture, ca vous fera pas de tort....

btw, does GTA mean grand toronto area??
LOL, gang de tetes enfl�es lol


Posted by Mike_B on Feb-18-2005 14:59:

everthing in Canada should be writing bilingual, this includes Quebec, they should amende their dumb law that says french need to be twice as big on sign then english. it should all be the same size accross the country


Posted by alec on Feb-18-2005 15:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_B
everthing in Canada should be writing bilingual, this includes Quebec, they should amende their dumb law that says french need to be twice as big on sign then english. it should all be the same size accross the country


west of Ottawa, almost no one speaks French, I think its kinda silly to enforce the rest of Canada to do so.


Posted by Mike_B on Feb-18-2005 15:54:

See ppl in quebec city don't speak english, so you're saying that there should be no english signs there. However we live in a bilingual country and ppl travel. Im pretty sure if you head to quebec it would be nice to have english signs to find you're way arround, Just like someone from quebec who happens to go to toronto/west ottawa would like to have french signs. And if everything was standardised in this manner it wouldn't be so expensive to have bilingual signs cause they all would be.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 16:06:

Ontario is not a bilingual province. In fact, almost noone west of Quebec speaks any French at all.

So why are we weasting millions to change the signs?


Posted by Mike_B on Feb-18-2005 16:16:

spoken like a true torontonian

Actually a large % of ontario is french

If you go anywhere east of ottawa towards Cornwall, almost no one speak english. and many many citys in northern Ontario speak french. But what do i Care im perfectly bilingual so wherever i am im good.

Id do some reasearch becasue its been a while since i've seen the numbers, but i myself when to french school in ontario my hole life, except post secondairy ed. But i'll look it up when i get home


Posted by SiM Pe�Rf on Feb-18-2005 17:57:

there are french people all across CAnada....if you didnt know that....ben tu manques vraiment de culture...
and what I think (answer to Mike_B) is that in quebec, freench should be twice bigger than english....and in other provinces, english twice bigger than french...but bilingual everywhere....


Posted by malek on Feb-18-2005 18:36:

huh there's no law that says french has to be twice bigger than other languages?!?!

it has to be bigger, not TWICE


Posted by sEpH on Feb-18-2005 18:42:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
huh there's no law that says french has to be twice bigger than other languages?!?!

it has to be bigger, not TWICE


im not sure, but i think theres a law for that.


Posted by j_spot on Feb-18-2005 19:03:

Id be happy if signs(govt/municipal, not private) nationwide were bilingual

we claim to be a bilingual country, yet its restricted to one province, how lame is that.


Posted by SiM Pe�Rf on Feb-18-2005 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by j_spot
Id be happy if signs(govt/municipal, not private) nationwide were bilingual

we claim to be a bilingual country, yet its restricted to one province, how lame is that.


exactly!!

and malek....I dont know exactly but its something like 70% french and 30% other language........or 60%-40%.....correct me if im wrong.....


Posted by malek on Feb-18-2005 19:45:

quote:
Originally posted by SiM Pe�Rf
exactly!!

and malek....I dont know exactly but its something like 70% french and 30% other language.....correct me if im wrong.....


from what I understood, other languages (any other) cannot be bigger than French.

So let say you have french and english at the same size, French would have to be in bold to be predominent.


Posted by SiM Pe�Rf on Feb-18-2005 19:51:

really ...OK...

Ive always thought it was a matter of percentage of a sign....


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 20:04:

quote:
Originally posted by j_spot
Id be happy if signs(govt/municipal, not private) nationwide were bilingual

we claim to be a bilingual country, yet its restricted to one province, how lame is that.



Canada may be officially bilingual (for political purposes), but Canadians are not bilingual.

That is the reality.


Posted by SiM Pe�Rf on Feb-18-2005 20:10:

your stupid ass isnt bilingual.....
doesnt mean everyone isnt.....
there are a lot of people speaking....understanding....or at least respecting french as a part of the country....

stfu now, and read the signs....


Posted by fastmp3 on Feb-18-2005 20:11:

sim a little bit of respect please ...


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by SiM Pe�Rf
your stupid ass isnt bilingual.....
doesnt mean everyone isnt.....
there are a lot of people speaking....understanding....or at least respecting french as a part of the country....

stfu now, and read the signs....



ok fine there are bilingual people in TOronto:


English/Chinese

English/Punjabi

English/Italian

English/Arabic

English/Portugeuse

English/Greek

etc
etc
etc



Virtually no French here.


Posted by alec on Feb-18-2005 20:56:

Its true guys, there may be small pockets of french groups in and around our other provinces west of Quebec, but there aren't enough French speaking people west of Ottawa to merit having bilingual french signs over bilingual chinese or russian or arabic. I believe the martitimes do have significant french speaking populations.

New Brunswick is the only official Bi lingual province in Ontario fyi.


Posted by malek on Feb-18-2005 20:58:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Canada may be officially bilingual (for political purposes), but Canadians are not bilingual.

That is the reality.


its not political purposes, its historical purposes... dude i thought you knew that at least.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Feb-18-2005 21:08:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
its not political purposes, its historical purposes... dude i thought you knew that at least.


Well it's both.

Remember, there is no history of official bilingualism until the 60's/70's.

For 100 years we were doing just fine.


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