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Hi, when i want to no which record is faster, i seem to have the habit of just playing both records through the headphones. This is easy to tell which record is goin faster. You just take note of the kick drum sound, and then you no if it's goin faster or slower. But is this the right way? Arn't you suppose to have one through headphones and one through speakers? Becasue i find having them both through the headphones is much easier.

I basically do the same thing. I beat match in my headphones until I know I've got each track at the necessary speed, then I'll usually just go back to the beginning (Or where ever I am going to begin my mix) and do the actual mix through the monitors, no headphones.

I think where you run into problems is if you're mixing exclusively in the headphones just because I don't think you can get an accurate representation of what's being played out to the room, but again, that may just be my opinion.

Cheers,

RJT

mixing in your headphones can be more accurate IMO than speaker and headphone. Problem is, when you spin out live at a club, the outside sound will interfere if your headphones dont isolate the sound completely which is what happened to me with my MDRV-700s.

Yeah, only reason i mix through heaphones is becasue i can't really do it through speakers. Yeah that is a big problem about the sound coming in from the outside to your headphones. But surely if you have really good expensive headphones, this wouldn't be the case?

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Originally posted by Radders2003 Yeah that is a big problem about the sound coming in from the outside to your headphones. But surely if you have really good expensive headphones, this wouldn't be the case?

LOL, Yep, and Tiesto really is the #1 DJ inm the world... Seriously... it's quantifiable...

...

Apologies if no one likes/gets my semi-subtle attempt at sarcasm...

RJT

EDIT: The message is simple; lots of $$$ spent does not necessarily mean your phones are going to be great...

Do you think i should start to try and beatmatch through headphones or try nad do headphones and speakers. Actually when im hearign whcuh one is faster or slower through headphones and speakers, it's easy to spot big differences, but i find it impossilbe to spot small differences, i can only do that in my headphones.

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Originally posted by Radders2003 Do you think i should start to try and beatmatch through headphones or try nad do headphones and speakers. Actually when im hearign whcuh one is faster or slower through headphones and speakers, it's easy to spot big differences, but i find it impossilbe to spot small differences, i can only do that in my headphones.

Use both. One day you might find yourself spinning records at a club or a venue that has equipment that forces you to mix with one ear in the headphones and one ear listening to the monitor. Its happened to many people and they have to adjust quickly so why not learn how to do it before the situation ever arises.

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Originally posted by rturn214 EDIT: The message is simple; lots of $$$ spent does not necessarily mean your phones are going to be great...

Im guessing you've never used any sennheiser headphones before?

I do both...

Depending on who's equipment I'm spinning on.
I usually do headphones to speakers though, then bring in whats playing on the headphones a little to see if it matches. Then I'll start bringin in the new track, and listen on the speakers to see what it really sounds like.

i practice for at least 2 hours a day and the first hour i mix through the speakers with the crossfader in the middle, so i can hear what im doing.

the other hour i turn all my lights off the system up, turn on all my uv glowy light things and mix as if i was playing to a crowd

I started off with beatmatching in the phones...but ive been making steps toward doing the one ear in phones and other on moniter.

what i do, which i find a lot of help is to just have one ear in the headphone, and if your mixer has volume control for the record playing...turn it up a little bit, not enough to overpower the song your cueing up. after getting used to it for a bit, i'll usually try and turn down the volume for the record that is playing and beatmatch strictly with the moniter and the track im cueing up in the headphones

I started out with monitor/headphone beatmatching, but swear by headphone cueing now. You never know when you come across a mixer with no split cue (ahem...old rane) and the skill comes in handy. Just pray that your monitors are clear enough.

alot of rane mixers have no slpit cue...so if you are in a club u will be screwed...monitor and one headphone is universal and is the same everywhere...

I find it very difficult to mix with both ears in the cans, I don't even know if I could ever be able to do that, a little confusing to me

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Im guessing you've never used any sennheiser headphones before?

What is that supposed to mean? You're not making any sense. Are you saying sennheisers are all expensive? Are you saying that they're good because they're expensive? I don't understand.

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Originally posted by KristineClub What is that supposed to mean? You're not making any sense. Are you saying sennheisers are all expensive? Are you saying that they're good because they're expensive? I don't understand.

they are expensive and they are good.

Kind of a stupid question, but how do you isolate one tune in the headphones until you've beatmatched it and bring it in after another tune ends?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 they are expensive and they are good.

Just because senns are expensive and good doesn't mean that any other pair of phones that are expensive are going to be good.

Hence

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Originally posted by rturn214 lots of $$$ spent does not necessarily mean your phones are going to be great...

i prefer the headphone method but i'm also learning the monitor method still. it's better to know both skills so that you are better prepared.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Just because senns are expensive and good doesn't mean that any other pair of phones that are expensive are going to be good. Hence

ok.



whats ur point?

Heh, I was spinning on my Friends Decks, He crushed his good pair of headphones, so I had to use his Sony's $80(AUD) Pair, Couldn't do the 1 ear trick, but I found by having 1 playing live on the monitors and the other cue'd into the headphones, I could beatmatch no problems as I could still hear outside the headphones

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Originally posted by Radders2003 Do you think i should start to try and beatmatch through headphones or try nad do headphones and speakers. Actually when im hearign whcuh one is faster or slower through headphones and speakers, it's easy to spot big differences, but i find it impossilbe to spot small differences, i can only do that in my headphones.

same here i can only tell quite big differences when mixing wiv one ear, if the mixer at a club didnt have cue split, i would match best i could then mix on the fly by riding the pitch to match it properly, that way it wouldnt sound as shit as if i touched the platter

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Im guessing you've never used any sennheiser headphones before?

1. Senn's are generally cheap by comparison (At least at Jim Laabs music in SP) to some of the "Big Name" headphones (Sony, Technics, & Pioneer all have more expensive phones)

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2. Ok, so let's say Senn's ARE both good (I don't think there is any doubt here) & expensive (point of discrepency, but we'll give it to you), so that apparently means anything good is also expensive, and also anything expensive is also good?

Apply that logic to some other situations and see how happy you are with that conclusion...

The point wasn't that you can't buy good cans for a lot of $$$, because of course you can. But you can also spend a shit ton of that proverbial "Bling Bling" on some real shitty phones.

Cheers,

RJT

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Originally posted by rturn214 1. Senn's are generally cheap by comparison (At least at Jim Laabs music in SP) to some of the "Big Name" headphones (Sony, Technics, & Pioneer all have more expensive phones) & 2. Ok, so let's say Senn's ARE both good (I don't think there is any doubt here) & expensive (point of discrepency, but we'll give it to you), so that apparently means anything good is also expensive, and also anything expensive is also good? Apply that logic to some other situations and see how happy you are with that conclusion... The point wasn't that you can't buy good cans for a lot of $$$, because of course you can. But you can also spend a shit ton of that proverbial "Bling Bling" on some real shitty phones. Cheers, RJT

I think your reading too deep into what I was saying and as a result, we might be saying the same thing.


on a side note, if your saying that I apply the correlation equals causation (thereby allowing reversing causal chains) thing to everything you have been sadly mistaken.



cheers!.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 on a side note, if your saying that I apply the correlation equals causation (thereby allowing reversing causal chains) thing to everything you have been sadly mistaken.

Best response ever, I now understand ... Logic is Power! +1

Cheers,

RJT

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