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Question for the Aussies
This is a question i'm asking of other countries just to get a comparison.
In Australia would you ever get a group of 1st generation Australians claiming to be another nationality just because one or more parents were born there? Would they ever feel "closer" to that heritage than they do to Australian heritage even though they were born in Australia and have never set foot in that country they claim?
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We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We share a dream and sing with one voice:
I am, you are, we are Australian
I am, you are, we are Australian
Re: Question for the Aussies
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 This is a question i'm asking of other countries just to get a comparison. In Australia would you ever get a group of 1st generation Australians claiming to be another nationality just because one or more parents were born there? Would they ever feel "closer" to that heritage than they do to Australian heritage even though they were born in Australia and have never set foot in that country they claim? |
don't think that's a problem at all.
a part of multiculturism is accepting where we are from, and acknowledging the family's history.
those born here normally attach "australian" to their heritage. eg. italian-australian, chinese-australian, etc.
where people choose to reject their australian side however, that's just stupid.
btw, you don't have to step foot in a country to feel that you are a part of it. if a family holds/practises values and traditions and pass them onto their children, it would be natural for a person to feel they are a part of it. a lot of ethnics are like that.
Multiculturalism is what makes Australia, but i think you should take pride in your cultural heritage - the main reason im a monarchist? - and also honour the country that holds you.
There is nothing wrong (and indeed, it should be preserved) with remaining in community groups and keeping traditions that have been in your native society for thousands of years. This provides identity and overall Australian diversity, which welcomes a rich variety of thoughts, ideas, philosophies and talents; which overall, progress our nation.
It's just a shame that some migrant groups (moreso in recent years) beleive that thier cultural identity makes them superior and gives them a free ticket to do what they like.
When I come to power, and impose my Radinist regime, I will fix this 
Roots are roots you cant deny them, but the only people that have problem with this sort of identity, are the people from the middle east, the lebanese, and people from the Balkans. This is an inherant problem as really their have no real country, either over tehre or over here. No one made more of an effort in AUstralian society than the asians, greeks or the Italians did.
One thing you cant escape is where you are from in the beginning... personally I am extremely proud of our brown land and love it... But what shits me is the Ethnic, Asian or any groups who seem to pay out this country or strut around like because there orig from (insert country here)...
But at the same time i urge to never forget where your from... even if you are 3rd, 4th or whatever generation it always seems to shine through... i mean my crappy irish skin still haunts me every time the sun is out ...burn burn
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| Originally posted by gumble Multiculturalism is what makes Australia, but i think you should take pride in your cultural heritage - the main reason im a monarchist? - and also honour the country that holds you. There is nothing wrong (and indeed, it should be preserved) with remaining in community groups and keeping traditions that have been in your native society for thousands of years. This provides identity and overall Australian diversity, which welcomes a rich variety of thoughts, ideas, philosophies and talents; which overall, progress our nation. It's just a shame that some migrant groups (moreso in recent years) beleive that thier cultural identity makes them superior and gives them a free ticket to do what they like. When I come to power, and impose my Radinist regime, I will fix this |
wow, interesting thread here. im a canadian thats been living in melb for the past three years (and the next thirty if i can convince the nice girl behind the counter at DIMIA to let me stay), having previously lived in downtown toronto (queen & leslie, but worked at queen & spadina).
in answer to your question, the answer is 'of course' - in both/any country. canada and australia (which, incidentally, are the two most sociopolitically similar non-geographically-proximate countries in the world according to a recent study that came out of melb uni's politics dept) are both nations of imimgrants; while canada is 'more multicultural' in terms of numbers of foreign-born residents (from memory toronto has the 2nd highest % of foreign-born residents behind miami, which has a zillion cuban-born residents), there is also within canada a large base of 5+ generation canadians as a result of canada's having been settled ~200 years prior to australia. in other words, canada's got more immigrants, but a LOT of australians are only 1-2 generations away from a foreign-born relative, compared to many less in canada. (still on first coffee sorry if this is crap)
that said, there appears to be much greater pressure on immigrants here in australia to 'conform', much like the US 'melting pot' multicultural policy; the fact that australia handles multicultural affairs (and indeed even indigenous issues!) through its immigration dept is interesting to note, as was its post sept-11 citizenship-promotion slogan, which ominously claimed "there's never been a better time to be an australian citizen!" some cultures have acheived a critical mass enough to have their own identity (italian specifically comes to mind, esp for me living just off lygon) but otherwise, i'd say there is much greater cultural homogeneity in melbourne than there is in toronto.
look at the number of chinese-born residents in both cities, for example, and compare that to the size of the 'chinatown' in both; toronto's is MASSIVE, whereas melb's got a couple little lumps here and there but nothing remotely similar; also look at the popularity of foriegn-signage in both cities: in toronto, major corporations such as mcdonalds, royal bank, etc all have their signage in chinese, whereas in melb i'd imagine there would be a civil war if such were to appear.
also of interest (and perhaps one of the catalysts for the more rapid absorbtion of foreign culture here) is the latent xenophobia that seems to permeate so much of australian culture and society... i don't mean to insult any of the aussies on here (as do not get me wrong i freaking love this country) but australia really is a country that, at least compared to the others in which ive lived, looks at visibly-foreign people as 'outsiders' regardless of their citizenship.
i could crap on endlessly about this but doubt anyone's read this far as it is. if this is for a school assignment or if you want any other ideas / sources / whatever let me know, its an area with which i'm pretty familiar bc of my work. 
i think oz is an awesome country becoz of its multiculturalism. i think diversity breeds strength and new ideas flourish in such an environment.
the only facet of this that i dont like is that i consider some (albeit small) components of various cultures around the world to be largely offensive, and do not wish to see people coming to this country to continue certain practices here.
otherwise, anyone from anywhere is welcome as far as im concerned.
im half hungarian but never been to europe bahaha
I should also point out that if you think Ontario is anywhere near bad in terms of what's illegal and whats not - at least compared to its cultural cousins the US, NZ, and Australia - you are spending too much time with your head in a glue-filled bag. 
*wishes australia would ditch its own legal system and adopt canada's instead*
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| Originally posted by Paulie the only people that have problem with this sort of identity, are the people from the middle east, the lebanese, and people from the Balkans. This is an inherant problem as really their have no real country, either over tehre or over here. |
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem wow, interesting thread here. im a canadian thats been living in melb for the past three years (and the next thirty if i can convince the nice girl behind the counter at DIMIA to let me stay), having previously lived in downtown toronto (queen & leslie, but worked at queen & spadina). in answer to your question, the answer is 'of course' - in both/any country. canada and australia (which, incidentally, are the two most sociopolitically similar non-geographically-proximate countries in the world according to a recent study that came out of melb uni's politics dept) are both nations of imimgrants; while canada is 'more multicultural' in terms of numbers of foreign-born residents (from memory toronto has the 2nd highest % of foreign-born residents behind miami, which has a zillion cuban-born residents), there is also within canada a large base of 5+ generation canadians as a result of canada's having been settled ~200 years prior to australia. in other words, canada's got more immigrants, but a LOT of australians are only 1-2 generations away from a foreign-born relative, compared to many less in canada. (still on first coffee sorry if this is crap) that said, there appears to be much greater pressure on immigrants here in australia to 'conform', much like the US 'melting pot' multicultural policy; the fact that australia handles multicultural affairs (and indeed even indigenous issues!) through its immigration dept is interesting to note, as was its post sept-11 citizenship-promotion slogan, which ominously claimed "there's never been a better time to be an australian citizen!" some cultures have acheived a critical mass enough to have their own identity (italian specifically comes to mind, esp for me living just off lygon) but otherwise, i'd say there is much greater cultural homogeneity in melbourne than there is in toronto. look at the number of chinese-born residents in both cities, for example, and compare that to the size of the 'chinatown' in both; toronto's is MASSIVE, whereas melb's got a couple little lumps here and there but nothing remotely similar; also look at the popularity of foriegn-signage in both cities: in toronto, major corporations such as mcdonalds, royal bank, etc all have their signage in chinese, whereas in melb i'd imagine there would be a civil war if such were to appear. also of interest (and perhaps one of the catalysts for the more rapid absorbtion of foreign culture here) is the latent xenophobia that seems to permeate so much of australian culture and society... i don't mean to insult any of the aussies on here (as do not get me wrong i freaking love this country) but australia really is a country that, at least compared to the others in which ive lived, looks at visibly-foreign people as 'outsiders' regardless of their citizenship. i could crap on endlessly about this but doubt anyone's read this far as it is. if this is for a school assignment or if you want any other ideas / sources / whatever let me know, its an area with which i'm pretty familiar bc of my work. |
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| Originally posted by DIDI Great, really interesting post. Hope you get to stay. We need more like you even if only for your taste in music. |
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem I should also point out that if you think Ontario is anywhere near bad in terms of what's illegal and whats not - at least compared to its cultural cousins the US, NZ, and Australia - you are spending too much time with your head in a glue-filled bag. *wishes australia would ditch its own legal system and adopt canada's instead* |
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| Originally posted by Euphoric_Madman WTF Man, I'll F*ucken stab you kunt Ma-ke-donia, Ma-ke-donia, Ma-ke-donia |
I'm a first generation Aussie.
If 0 is an akubra wearing, Aussie battler, blue wife beaters, cricket loving, steak with 3 veg, yobbo, bogan, culture less, convict relative with little style or taste.
And 100 is a person born in Australia that hates Australia, has never eaten a meat pie or tasted Aussie culture, wished they were in another country, talks about another country, didn't speak English until they were at school kind of person.
Then I'm about 50....
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| Originally posted by Paulie Admit bro you got owned lol just like Preston will against South |
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| Originally posted by Paulie Admit bro you got owned lol just like Preston will against South |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 You obviously havnt been here since Mcguinty took over LOL What time are clubs forced to stop serving booze there? One thing to note is how EVERYONE has australian flags in this thread. In Canada even Canadian born people would have flags from all over the place. |
like me and the greek flag
its not wrong to be proud of where you originated from
even if u were born in oz
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| Originally posted by Sly_Guy Apparently TOTAs prime minister is a xenophobe. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 Not at all. Sadly when someone stands up for Canada they are instantly labelled "racist", "xenophobe" or some other nonsense. |
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