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Question for prog house DJs
For the DJs who spin progressive house, do you guys worry at all about the key a tune is in and matching them up with other tunes of the same key in a set? Or is that mostly for trance since it is more melodic?
you know, I haven't really even tried to pick up this whole harmonic mixing thing, but I think I'm aware of it weather i know it or not. When I'm mixing a set, i couldn't tell you for the life of me what key a record is in, but I find myself constantly going to put on a record and then taking it off because it doesn't sound right...there is a key clash that I'm aware of. But I'm by no means looking around online trying to find the key all my records are in and then writing them on the label. But I think I can subconsciously tell by ear if songs are grossly out of key.
Is it necessary to do harmonic mixing? What differences are there between that and just mixing in whatever tune?
I have found I do notice a difference in my mixes I try and do harmonically compared to those I did before. Just because their are no massive synths to clash it still sounds better when they are in key, its nice to have basslines in complementary keys. That said, I think it is a little easier to smudge on the harmonic mixing, I mean it can be easier to mix on essentially keyless "free beats".
yes and no. on the deeper side, a lot of us will worry about the key of our basslines... on the flat'er side, if there is a strong melody line again yes. i mean, we don't harmonically mix every record thats not possible(well it is but that leaves a lot of tunes out)
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| Originally posted by zizack you know, I haven't really even tried to pick up this whole harmonic mixing thing, but I think I'm aware of it weather i know it or not. When I'm mixing a set, i couldn't tell you for the life of me what key a record is in, but I find myself constantly going to put on a record and then taking it off because it doesn't sound right...there is a key clash that I'm aware of. But I'm by no means looking around online trying to find the key all my records are in and then writing them on the label. But I think I can subconsciously tell by ear if songs are grossly out of key. |
Do you think some of you guys who do spin prog house can list some tunes that have the same key? I looked at the sticky for this but I only found trance tunes. Or maybe can someone add them to the sticky?
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| Originally posted by Tony Morello that's the boat i'm in too, i have no clue what key my records are in but i do know what records sound good with what so i think that subconciously i do mix in key to an extent |
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| Originally posted by montie i'm in this club also |
i have some musical background so it helps me. i dont really think it. just do it
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| Originally posted by Shudder i have some musical background so it helps me. i dont really think it. just do it |
Yes and no as well. I try to look at the mix in it's entirety, so each transition is different to facilitate mood key, and structure changes. To answer your question specifically regarding harmonic mixing with prog house, I think it's more paramount that you do harmonically mix because prog house is usually less melody driven, so just overlaying melodies in compaitable keys doesn't do justice for prog house: how long the outro is, how many breakdowns, legnth of breakdown, texture of track, weight(how hard the bass hits, and whether it "rolls" or not) etc...should determine what your next track is.
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| Originally posted by InTranzd Me too... I recall hearing that if you pitched more than +/-3, keys seldom sound good together.... |
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| Originally posted by montie i think thats only true if the songs are in compatable keys in the first place. if the two songs are in diff non compatable keys changing the pitches can place them in compatible keys |
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| Originally posted by InTranzd Me too... I recall hearing that if you pitched more than +/-3, keys seldom sound good together.... |
i would think so... I always thought that mixing prog house involved more long gradual mixes than just slamming the next track in (which seems so prevalent in trance)
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| Originally posted by dinoXpress +1 i guess middle school band class did help... 1st chair trombone. |
i'm just starting to get into progressive house you guys have any suggestions for good labels, artists and or tracks that are fairly current i searched and found one decent thread but it was a bit old.
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| Originally posted by Psiweaver i'm just starting to get into progressive house you guys have any suggestions for good labels, artists and or tracks that are fairly current i searched and found one decent thread but it was a bit old. |
check [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
dunno how much of what they have, but i did notice a few proghousy tunes listed along with some DnB.. so chances are they might have a couple tracks your lookin for
thing about harmonics, it cuts down time spent trying to find a compatible track, you have one bangin away and youre all pumped but you keep changing your next track cus you dont like the way it sounds, and by the time you find one you like the playing track has already lost alot of its "Umpff"
yeah you may know which tracks go well with eachother but one thing i noticed i used to do alot was always play the same order of tracks which gets old when you review 3 diff sets and they all have the same tracks mixed together.. soon as i learned keys my sets became more varied and less predictable... used to be that if i handed you a mixtape thats pretty much all the set i had, let me spin for you and youd hear the same mixes you did on the tape....
gets old and you can sometimes feel alittle restricted as to which track needs to come next.... harmonics really opens up doors, did for me anyways
Nice site, but can you explain to me how to interpret that Camelot Sound Easymix System?
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| Originally posted by TruffleShuffle Nice site, but can you explain to me how to interpret that Camelot Sound Easymix System? |
Well if I'm understanding it right, the outer circle's keys are equivalent to the inner circle's keys, and one key next to another indicates it can be mixed into that key?
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| Originally posted by ibiza_cat I got the answer to all your questions: http://www.i-dj.co.uk/technique/techniquepage.php?ID=16 check it out!!! |
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