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what formats better during live sets

wave file or mp3?

Do you mean for sound quality?

Wav

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Originally posted by Ygrene Do you mean for sound quality?

i know wave sounds better, but wave file takes up about 10 times more space then mp3 files.

Not because they sound better but because some CDJs don't have MP3 support and they are less prone to skip which is important if you are doing a live gig.

Yeah, I guess that's the trade-off.

I don't play very many cd's so for me I'd go wav.

But for someone who's playing alot of discs may want to go mp3 for carrying purposes and whatnot.

Depends and what you prefer I suppose.

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Originally posted by Zild Not because they sound better but because some CDJs don't have MP3 support and they are less prone to skip which is important if you are doing a live gig.

have u heard both mp3 and wave at a club with nice big sound system.
can u really tell the diff.

I can't really tell the difference. Thats why I said the reason to use wavs instead is because its easier to skip if you're using MP3s and because some very popular CD decks don't have mp3 support.

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Originally posted by b20bigcam have u heard both mp3 and wave at a club with nice big sound system. can u really tell the diff.

well, i can tell the difference between a wav and a 192 mp3 on my shitty home system. as a rule of thumb ive been told that the bigger and cooler the system, the more noticeable the difference is. since you can already fit a bunch of tunes on a CD in wav format, id go with that. that horrible, \"tinny\" sound mp3s make would be awful on a big system imo.

320 mp3's sound good, BUT wavs are better. Alot of people claim you can feel the music more with wavs. Just get a external hard drive. They do not cost that much. Hold all your wavs on that. Then rip a cd when you want. I keep all my stuff backed up on an external.

Rock On,

Mike

you can definitely tell the difference between wavs and mp3s - especially at high levels. its not so noticeable at low levels and on less sensitive audio equipment. but then again, 80% of the people bopping to teh music are not liable to give a shit as long as you keep things moving and it doesnt sound so bad it impairs the music.

heck alot of the people i see at boiler house open deck nights dont even know when a record is trainwrecking. if they can listen to off tempo noise for more than 10 seconds and not notice it, they sure as hell arent gonna notice the mp3 compression.

you probably will though and if you gave 2 shits about the music you played you would probably try and go for the best you can feisibly get away with. 80gb IDE hard disk costs about 40 quid these days. thats 4 psy cds for me. or, if you are considering DJing off mp3 id imagine (just a guess) that you've saved alot of money not buying cds. do the right thing! buy a huge hard disk and at least respect the artists you ripped off by playing out their music as it was intended!

imagine a large sheet of plywood standing up vertically..

now picture a 10 foot 2 by 4 being slapped across the plywood at 140 bpm.


welcome to mp3s in clubs. (aka: use wavs)


razzi.




ps- yes i know 320kbit doesnt sound that bad, but i was making a point.

LOL. Good way of putting it.

thanks for everyones info!!!

AIFF all the way.. toally uncompressed
takes a bitch of a computer to paly them tho

It's all about the original source and how the file was encoded. Converting a poor quality MP3 file into a WAV format would not make any sense at all for example unless you are using software like Final Scratch on a very slow PC. (WAV files take less CPU recouces to play back and manipulate then MP3s since MP3s have to be decoded as they are being played back.) If you are ripping a record onto your computer with proper hardware and software that's a different story. When I rip vinyls to my PC I keep them in a WAV format or 192-320kbps MP3s at max setting. Most people who notice the difference on their average home audio systems between 192kbps or higher MP3s and WAVs are probably listening to downloaded MP3s with crappy quality which were ripped by amateurs. Unfortuntly that is the case a lot of times unless you are getting your MP3s from an online record shop which encodes them directly from the original source. (Those sound awesome!) Try ripping a CD with a good encoder, like LAME Encoder, into a 192kbps MP3 file and see if you can hear a difference. You probably won't unless you have some high fidelity equipment and are very picky about sound quality (which you might be). Another thing to consider is it seems to be more common for a CD of a certain track to sound much better then the Vinyl version of the same track. A lot of record labels go with cheap vinyl pressings that sound like crap compared to CDs. Sure, vinyl records have the potential to sound better, but only when properly pressed from a high quality original source.

For converting files to MP3 format and ability to do much more I recommend Easy CD-DA Extractor. It uses the LAME encoder (one of the best) and is very easy to use.

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Originally posted by abnorm It's all about the original source and how the file was encoded. Converting a poor quality MP3 file into a WAV format would not make any sense at all for example unless you are using software like Final Scratch on a very slow PC. (WAV files take less CPU recouces to play back and manipulate then MP3s since MP3s have to be decoded as they are being played back.) If you are ripping a record onto your computer with proper hardware and software that's a different story. When I rip vinyls to my PC I keep them in a WAV format or 192-320kbps MP3s at max setting. Most people who notice the difference on their average home audio systems between 192kbps or higher MP3s and WAVs are probably listening to downloaded MP3s with crappy quality which were ripped by amateurs. Unfortuntly that is the case a lot of times unless you are getting your MP3s from an online record shop which encodes them directly from the original source. (Those sound awesome!) Try ripping a CD with a good encoder, like LAME Encoder, into a 192kbps MP3 file and see if you can hear a difference. You probably won't unless you have some high fidelity equipment and are very picky about sound quality (which you might be). Another thing to consider is it seems to be more common for a CD of a certain track to sound much better then the Vinyl version of the same track. A lot of record labels go with cheap vinyl pressings that sound like crap compared to CDs. Sure, vinyl records have the potential to sound better, but only when properly pressed from a high quality original source. For converting files to MP3 format and ability to do much more I recommend Easy CD-DA Extractor. It uses the LAME encoder (one of the best) and is very easy to use.

Very Good Advice, It all depends on the source and also the quality it was recorded in, For example, in Sony Sound Forge, when you render an MP3 you have 3 choices: Fastest Encode, Middle, and Best Quality. I can render a vinyl in 128k, at Best Quality, and it will sound halfway decent on a loud system. I have some CD's ripped at 128k and they sound great. Its also, as abnorm said, very important where the original source is from, Itunes' has there music in 128k AAC, when converted to 320k mp3 and played back, they sound excellent.

I guess for a rule, encode at 192k or higher, just as a failsafe for a loud sound system

it depends mp3 when played on high volume sounds awfull but if youre gonna play it on low a volume and you have a cdj wich supports mp3 format stick with mp3 other that that use wav

256kbit Ogg Vorbis.

If you can tell the difference from an uncompressed wav, your either hallucinating or have some really good monitors and a very sensitive ear!

I personally think OGG sounds alot cleaner than MP3.

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Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2 256kbit Ogg Vorbis. If you can tell the difference from an uncompressed wav, your either hallucinating or have some really good monitors and a very sensitive ear! I personally think OGG sounds alot cleaner than MP3.

+1

Ogg ownzu.

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