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fine tuning the beatmatch

do you guys have any other pointers (besides practicing alot) for fine tuning the beat match?... i can basically cue up the record startiong at say 0% and use the pitch control to beat match... i don't touch the record at all except for cueing up... once they stay on beat i know that i am very close to the right pitch level... but i have to adjust the pitch like every 10 seconds but i want to be able to have them "stick" for longer than 10... when i pitch up a tiny bit its good... then i need to pitch down a tiny bit to keep it on beat...it seems as though they just won't stick

any tips on this fine tuning?

What tt's do you have? If you have budget decks then there may be no other wya than to adjust the pitch every few seconds like with mine

it doesnt seem, from your description, that you have them matched, It may be your decks' flutter, maybe to compensate this, have your pitch a little bit higher than what you thing the 'sweet spot' is. Then just use your finger on your platter to lightly slow it down

if you're having to adjust it then it isnt in beat!

use your hands for the quick precise method of keeping it in time for more than 30secs-1min then you'll be reet

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Originally posted by Frase if you're having to adjust it then it isnt in beat! use your hands for the quick precise method of keeping it in time for more than 30secs-1min then you'll be reet

they are on beat but just not for longer than 10 sec... lol... i've only been doing this for about 6 weeks but its just that fine tuning... and i have tech 1200 mk2s so i don't see why i shouldn't be able to strictly pitch ride the mix...or am i just asking too much from myself at this beginner stage?

maybe im hearing it wrong who knows... but when i fade in... they sound seamless for a little bit then need adjustment after about 10 sec... i have fluked out a couple of times and had them stick for about 1 min without adjustment... but i want to be able to do it again and again

You'll get the hang of it. It took me some time with my cd decks to get the pitch right. I wasn't used to the studder mode. Turntables are much easier

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Originally posted by fr3sh they are on beat but just not for longer than 10 sec... lol... i've only been doing this for about 6 weeks but its just that fine tuning... and i have tech 1200 mk2s so i don't see why i shouldn't be able to strictly pitch ride the mix...or am i just asking too much from myself at this beginner stage? maybe im hearing it wrong who knows... but when i fade in... they sound seamless for a little bit then need adjustment after about 10 sec... i have fluked out a couple of times and had them stick for about 1 min without adjustment... but i want to be able to do it again and again

I think you are asking a lot from yourself. It takes most people years to master riding the pitch. If your tracks only stay matched for 10 seconds then they're not matched, try making smaller adjustments. If you have to adjust it down to keep it in beat then you have to move it up 10 seconds after that then back down your missing your sweet spot and not making fine enough adjustments to the pitch fader.

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Originally posted by Zild I think you are asking a lot from yourself. It takes most people years to master riding the pitch. If your tracks only stay matched for 10 seconds then they're not matched, try making smaller adjustments. If you have to adjust it down to keep it in beat then you have to move it up 10 seconds after that then back down your missing your sweet spot and not making fine enough adjustments to the pitch fader.

Exactly, you just need more practice, beatmatching is easy to learn but hard to master, and that mastering takes years, you need to be able to beatmatch for it to last about 30 seconds to a minute, thats would be pretty good, longer would be better obviously, but also you gotta learn how to quickly hear and fix a track that is drifting, even when you mastered beatmatching, you will never nail EVERY transition you do, so you have to learn how to be a pro at fixing a drifting transition, Armins a pro at mixing, aswell as Carl Cox and many other DJs, but they have times that the tracks will drift, but there good at hearing it before 99% of the worlds population will hear it and fix it right away, and this is something you will have to learn.

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Originally posted by DannyO Armins a pro at mixing, aswell as Carl Cox and many other DJs, but they have times that the tracks will drift, but there good at hearing it before 99% of the worlds population will hear it and fix it right away, and this is something you will have to learn.

I believe this is really "PART" of what seperates great DJ's from the average bedroom DJ in some cases.

The slightest adjustment of the pitch fader makes a difference, you are obviously moving it far to much.. be gentle, not drastic.

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Originally posted by J:\Digital I believe this is really "PART" of what seperates great DJ's from the average bedroom DJ in some cases. The slightest adjustment of the pitch fader makes a difference, you are obviously moving it far to much.. be gentle, not drastic.

well said

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Originally posted by fr3sh they are on beat but just not for longer than 10 sec

there not beatmatched then r they

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~lrussell/New%20Folder/BPM.htm

You can beatmatch (espeically trance) without decks or pitch adjustment at all. I used to run two tracks at the same time with Quick time on my Macintosh Power PC and have them perfectly syncopated. I'd say the trick is being able to know excatly when to let go. When you're using decks train yourself to listen for the echo. Its hard to explain but they'll sort of build off each other when they're nailed.

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Originally posted by Desty Nova You can beatmatch (espeically trance) without decks or pitch adjustment at all. I used to run two tracks at the same time with Quick time on my Macintosh Power PC and have them perfectly syncopated. I'd say the trick is being able to know excatly when to let go. When you're using decks train yourself to listen for the echo. Its hard to explain but they'll sort of build off each other when they're nailed.

Sorry but thats not beatmatching, sounds to me like your just waiting till theres a breakdown and mixing the 2 tracks when neither of them have a beat, unless the all the tracks you were mixing were all a set BPM, theres no way they could be beatmatched without adjusting pitch, and even in a breakdown mixing into another breakdown or a track without a beat, you can still hear there not beatmatched as the rhythm will be off.

I'm telling you there are some tracks that are so close that you can beatmix without changeing pitch. Its just like taking two copies of the same record and beatmixing them at Quatz lock.

None of that ambient-beat fadering!

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Originally posted by Desty Nova I'm telling you there are some tracks that are so close that you can beatmix without changeing pitch. Its just like taking two copies of the same record and beatmixing them at Quatz lock.

You can do what your saying here, as I have various records that are probably made at the exact same BPM, so if they were both at the same pitch, they would be beatmatched without me doign anything, but you can't do that threw every mix, but I get what your saying at.

but we're talking about fine tuning beatmatching here... so that being said... once i am getting good they should be able to stick with no noticable drifting for 1 minute?

use your hand on the platter ffs!, if it sounds better move the pitch upward... it it sounds worse move that pitch down!

I use the 800's, and the pitch slider is kind of sensitive but apply the same principle, I think it works anyway:

track B is playing, and its almost time to mix in track A so adjust the pitch so you know A is a bit ahead of track B in pitch, bring it a bit slower but still so you know if A will drift, its going to go ahead of B. that way every time you head the bass drum doubling just spin back A to fix it, that way you can maintain the beat and use the extra hand for fader or EQ.

I hope this helps, thats the way i learned anyway and ive got my beatmatching almost perfect.

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Originally posted by ibiza_cat I use the 800's, and the pitch slider is kind of sensitive but apply the same principle, I think it works anyway: track B is playing, and its almost time to mix in track A so adjust the pitch so you know A is a bit ahead of track B in pitch, bring it a bit slower but still so you know if A will drift, its going to go ahead of B. that way every time you head the bass drum doubling just spin back A to fix it, that way you can maintain the beat and use the extra hand for fader or EQ. I hope this helps, thats the way i learned anyway and ive got my beatmatching almost perfect.

that sounds interesting.... can u explain more on this cos i dont quite understand what u mean.
thanks

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Originally posted by eyeball_2003 that sounds interesting.... can u explain more on this cos i dont quite understand what u mean. thanks

What he means is, if you try and get it spot on then when it drifts you might not be to sure on if its too fast or too slow, so if you make it very slightly faster than what you think it should be, you know that if they drift, you just have to slow down the record a slight bit.

Dear oh dear - this is the first time Ive visited this forum and I cant believe what im reading! Everybody is trying to put into words how to beatmatch, when the only possible way of doing is with your ears and plenty of practice! The basics can be written in a manual but it takes years of practice to get your ears trained to listen when the 2 beats are milliseconds out and how to put things right. Ive been Djing since the early and practiced for hours and hours on end. The thing that seperates the 'bedroom Dj' and the pro is just that - years of practice and knowing your tunes inside out. So instead of reading all this rubbish people are trying to tell you, you would be better spending the time practicing!!

MP

^blunt but true... more practice, less discussion

i own cheapo belt decks and the way i taught myself to match was to keep a finger lightly resting on the cue track while its spinning, that way when i cue them up, i can "feel" which track is off, if i need to continuously push the cue track to keep it matched then its obviously going too slow so i make the necessary adjustments to the pitch untill i no longer need to give it any encouragement...

just the same, if i find myself needing to apply pressure to the cue track to slow it down, or pinch the spindle, its going too fast so i pitch it down however much it needs untill im satisfied and i dont need to babysit the deck any longer

with belt drives, the mixes will almost never be perfect for very long without any slight pitching... i use the finger on the record/ pinch the spindle method b/c it gives me faster results than trying to ride the pitch.. half of it depends on your decks for how long you can keep a perfect mix

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Originally posted by MessiahProject Dear oh dear - this is the first time Ive visited this forum and I cant believe what im reading! Everybody is trying to put into words how to beatmatch, when the only possible way of doing is with your ears and plenty of practice! The basics can be written in a manual but it takes years of practice to get your ears trained to listen when the 2 beats are milliseconds out and how to put things right. Ive been Djing since the early and practiced for hours and hours on end. The thing that seperates the 'bedroom Dj' and the pro is just that - years of practice and knowing your tunes inside out. So instead of reading all this rubbish people are trying to tell you, you would be better spending the time practicing!! MP

Thats all true, but nobody here is trying to tell him some way of mixing without knowing how to beatmatch, Desty brought up something he was just mentioning.

I'd say 90% of the people in the Booth know that the only way to beatmatch is to just do it, programs, charts and counters ain't gonna help, but that site I referred him to will help him, beatmatching is just a small part of DJing, things like phrasing he can get a good idea on before he even attempts it, the poster can't get enough time or money to really try DJing right now, so anything will help, and using a program like Traktor won't teach you how to get onto decks and mix like Carl Cos, but it will give you some idea on controls and what they do.

Exodus: I used to own second hand beltdrives, even though they were a bitch to mix on, it was very doable, wish I still had them actually, got some good memories about them. ::sniff::

EDIT: hmm I don't think I recommend the threadstarter that site, its www.recess.co.uk, it will help out with the dj lingo and what things mean and give you an understanding on various things.

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