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Advice needed, new to mixing DnB
ok so ive been a big fan of DnB along with trance and lately ive been buying nothing but trance records with the itch to grab some dnb to start spinning...
finally resisted the urge and bought my first DnB record(along with an AVB record
) Future Prophecies - Shadow/Chrome
so heres my question - anybody else here spin DnB and if so can you reccomend some tunes for me? also any tips to mixing...
preferably no vocals, unless it goes well, dark, heavy nasal bass
, or uplifting... anything badass in general?
some favs are
Teebee - Invasion, Black Rain
Evol Intent - Horns & Halos
Future Prophecies vs Teebee - Dimensional Entity
SPOR - Three Ravens
... stuff like that
i think this should be in music discussion, but i wont be a prick... i always liked bad company, cause 4 confusion, total science... cant remember who else, its been a while
Maybe it should be in the music discussion but you get better results if you post in this forum so i'll answer. I like Ben Sage, Tech Itch, Dylan, Evol Intent, Teebee, John B, Raiden, BSE, Concord Dawn, Pendulum, and Pish Posh just to name a few off the top of my head.
let me know if you want links to sites with some mixes
anything by Facs and INK, Dom & Roland, Free Burning, 4 hero, Dj Dara - Kah RNA its has blue green label and it is SweeT, Blue Room- jazzy downtempo DnB, PFM- the Westren- Washover Me...
the best of the nu skool:
rawthang feat. kari - scorned [black sun recordings, 2004] (may be discontinued. look out for this. it rawks. amazing vocals. amazing dark euphoric sound.)
raiden - fallin' [renegade hardware, 2002] (NOTE: can only be found on the extremely hard to find AIR EP. if you ever find this you are one lucky son of a bitch 
this song sends a shiver up my spine every time its played out. wow)
exile and temper d - warehouse [renegade hardware, 2002] (NOTE: can only be found on the hard to find EARTH EP. this *devastates* dancefloors - ive seen it 
)
technical itch & kemal - the calling VIP [moving shadow, 2003] (nu skool filth.)
omni trio - renegade snares [high contrast remix, 2004] (chilled but dark. its alot slower than most dnb though so it can be tricky to mix)
pendulum - back 2 you [timeless, 2004] (bit of a beaut this one. tranced out. but rude. arsey breakdowns. helluva track though)
hive - neo [violence, 2003] (famous tune. crazy break. probably still obtainable. one of those dnb classics along with pacman and casino royale and fugees or not)
SKC - free my soul [hospital, 2004] (chilled, a bit funky, real easy to mix and all round stonker of a tune. very well produced too. good early night tune.)
concord dawn - morning light (klute remix) [timeless, 2004] (mad break. post breakdown it rips. the vocal is amazing too)
hold tight - 9 2 5 [industry, 2004] (dnb goes back to its roots - very very funky. smasher of an early night tune.)
black sun empire - smoke [sinthetix mix, 2002] (probably discontinued but its a goodie. solid bassline that carries the entire tune. one of those songs which seems alot shorter than it actually is.
rawthang feat. kari - beautiful morning [coded, 2005] (nother sick rawthang tune)
if you are partial to filth. and i mean *filth* i can list some labels and tracks to watch out for. it just depends on how noisy you wanna go. some of fresh's stuff on breakbeat punk is just...crazy. the breaks on mutated x are fucking inside out and theres this monster reece bursting in and out whilst the break sounds progressively more messed up. argh! nightmare to mix aswell.
haha - you may appreciate nightwalker - cheesgrater on grid recordings (2004). its the type of tune that when it drops you just go 'what the holy fuck is that?!'
listen to it and you'll see pretty much what i mean. i dont know anyone that has the courage to spin this one out. it could either go really well or really badly (most likely badly though). but too hard to tell for sure.
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| Originally posted by Derivative haha - you may appreciate nightwalker - cheesgrater on grid recordings (2004). its the type of tune that when it drops you just go 'what the holy fuck is that?!' listen to it and you'll see pretty much what i mean. i dont know anyone that has the courage to spin this one out. it could either go really well or really badly (most likely badly though). but too hard to tell for sure. |
i've mixed dnb a couple times for fun and i didn't find it hard to mix at all.
With house you have kicks on all 4 beats....with dnb you need to mix while listening to the snare drum hits on the 2 and 4. Most of the time the snares are very clear and you shouldnt have a problem.
any dnb experts or producers please correct me if im wrong!
Thanks!
yea thats wut i noticed... kinda wierd on some tracks cus you can get snares that change up no you are right except i do it with first downbeat (kick) and the snare on 1st and 3rd off beat. then wait for it to loop around again. and see where the kick and first snare lands. you can also beatmatch on the 16th hats and even without any loops at all since most drum and bass is pretty much always in 4 phrases consisting of 4 bars each. this makes it easier than say psy to beatmatch using looped ambience and stuff. i cant thank you enough Derivative... this is exactly the type of DnB ive been looking for... i got a buddy who listens to nothing but DnB and hes only like 14yrs old! he'll definately appreciate these aye, future prophecies is deep and dark drum and bass. its not so full on its silly like nightwalker style dnb. indeed... morninglight is sometihng else... oh man - that raiden track 'fallin' is gonna knock you senseless
when i first cued up Chrome, i mixed it with a stakka & skynet track... dunno the title tho... mixed perfectly... not too hard at all
id say trance is alot harder to mix... but there are sounds in DnB that you just dont find anywhere else
Posted by Derivative on Mar-09-2005 20:01:
ok exodus we have established you like the filth. you are in a small minority here but you are in luck - im also in that minority! filth is good! if you like off the scale 'holy shit! whats that?!' kind of drum and bass then you'll probably like all of nightwalker's stuff.
here are some top filthy rollers for your consumption (these have been tried and tested and have proven to be utter dirt):
fresh - floodlight [dogs on acid (i think), 2004] (a masterwork of production. just listen to it! fresh is a bit of genius actually. absolutely crazy song with precision sample cutups. i can only begin to imagine how many parts to this there actually are...oh yea, its NASTY. in a 'mummy! im scared!' kind of way.)
exile and temper d - warehouse [renegade hardware, 2002] (as mentioned above. its hard to find but its the big reason to get the EARTH EP. pure unadulterated noise. i lub it. very hard to find. if you cannot hear it, i can send you a sample because this tune is amazingly nasty.)
konflict - messiah [renegade hardware, 1990] (oldie but dirty. veeery dirty. the reece bassline is so fucking gigantic and compressed so much you can hear the compressor releasing when the drums drop out. one of the best from the old skool. EDIT: has been rereleased on vinyl! saw it on juno! get it! get get! get it!)
dom & roland - dance all night (calyx remix) [moving shadow, 2004] (ooooohh myyyy gooooooood. how fucked up is this?!)
corrupt souls - samsara [circle, 2005] (another 'what the holy fuck is that?!' tune. the reece in this one is bendy!)
nightwalker & dykast - biohazard [g2, 2004] (another so whacked out its funny tune from nightwalker. you cannot play songs like this out. everyone will just look confused and leave the dancefloor.)
chris su - the bouncer [spy technologies, 2003] (nu skool dirty. this shreds dancefloors. klangy, reecy dirty FILTH. can be found on the spy technologies battlefield LP)
trace & fresh - mutated (version x) [breakbeat punk, 2002] (fucked up break. fucked up reece. turns heads. nuff said.)
pendulum & bulletproof - mind's eye [renegade recordings, 2004] (the bassline is absolutely messed up. the usual pendulum rudeness. but even more crazy than usual.)
pendulum - vault [31 records, 2003] (their most famous tune. sounds like a themepark ride to hell with the ensuing wreckage of the rollercoaster crashing and bursting into flames at the end. listen to it - you'll get it. pioneered the now infamous 'clownstep')
john b - amnesia [beta recordings, 2004] (listen out for the bassline built out of what sounds like a bass driver exploding. ha! hmmmmm. dirty)
calyx - killa [moving shadow, 2004] (theres a hardcore remix of this out there that is even NASTIER. this one is pretty famous though, at least in dnb circles)
raiden - everything on the utopia EP [renegade hardware, 2004] (all of it is nasty. raiden is the reece technician. the tune utopia is so fucked up its funny. reaktor sounds like a science experiment gone horribly wrong. archangel is...so dirty its wrong.)
thats all i can remember right now. remember - do not play any of this out. this type of music is beyond social boundaries. playing a nightwalker tune out is the fastest way to clear a dancefloor unless you are playing to a crowd that doesnt have any aversion to stupid filth. in that eventuality - go nuts. you will never dance as fast, hard and spastically as you will to these.
Posted by Exodus17 on Mar-10-2005 19:04:
reason ive been asking for all this is cus im testing this offer from a local record store... its a small shop but they vinyl only, alot of underground stuff... they have this offer that they can get "anything" as long as its still in press or been repressed so im checking that out.. making a list of dnb to add to my bag since its full of trance.. need variety to spin
Future Prophecies came to Dallas not too long ago and they totaly owned the club, theres an interview that they were asked what was their most memorable moment and that event was it hehe... they played some insane tracks, a few were so deep it made me gasp
aslong with the rest of the floor... never seen so many people that into the set.. even the ppl who werent on the dancefloor looked up when hit hit those notes on that instrument he was playing... its like a clarinet or something hooked up to his laptop that he played most of the baselines with... mindshattering
http://www.spraci.com/boards/sydney/sydney/94521.html
Absolutely Wicked yo thx, adding these to my list to order
Konflict - messiah
Corrupt souls - Samsara
Raiden - Utopia EP
Black Sun Empire - Driving Insane (Arrakis is nice*)
more to come
Posted by Derivative on Mar-10-2005 20:01:
i prefer the deep side of dnb personally.
my alltime favourites are:
raiden - fallin' [renegade hardware AIR EP discontinued] (i can make a clip for you of this song because it sends a shiver up my spine every time its played. it is the most forlorn, beatiful and deeply dark dnb anthem i have ever heard. i would check your PM sometimes soon. i have been searching for the AIR EP since late 2002 with no success)
concord dawn - morning light [klute mix] [timeless recordings] (blew me away when i heard this. another life changer of a tune.)
rawthang - epilogue [black sun recordings] (another spine tingler. oh my god. when this goes off around midnight theres no turning back. it can only get faster, deeper and darker. im getting the shivers just listening to it now!)
pendulum - back 2 you [timeless recordings] (the shivers again! nobody ever heard anything like this in drum and bass until pendulum came along and wrote this little gem)
you must own these.
Posted by Exodus17 on Mar-10-2005 21:32:
id have em all if i could find them hehe...thats the only problem... alot on that original list you gave me i couldnt find to sample
ive only heard the clip of epilogue on juno and its already a fav dark and heavy yet entrancing
soon as i get my home comp back im gonna start workin on producing some of my own dnb...
Posted by Derivative on Mar-11-2005 00:33:
its deeper and darker than epilogue. i reckon its the reason why the AIR EP is impossible to find.
also, the klute mix of morning light is even better than the original
Posted by veezee on Mar-13-2005 03:06:
quote: Originally posted by DJ Joshua H
i've mixed dnb a couple times for fun and i didn't find it hard to mix at all.
With house you have kicks on all 4 beats....with dnb you need to mix while listening to the snare drum hits on the 2 and 4. Most of the time the snares are very clear and you shouldnt have a problem.
any dnb experts or producers please correct me if im wrong!
Thanks!
i feel the same way, when i get the urge (not often) to mix some dnb/jungle, I find it easiest to listen for the highs... thats just me.. im sure others will agree aswell..
Jay
I've been mixing dnb along with techno for years now. Heres a few filthy new bits you might like..
Amit - Second Cut
Hive - Krush
D-Bridge - True Romance
Bad Company - Bullit Time !!!
Vector Burn - Oxygen Freeze VIP
Some older bits:
Breakage - Disco 45
Hive - Neo
Calyx - Killa
Keaton & Loxy - Judgement Day VIP
Stakka & Skynet - Clockwork (Stakka Remix) !!!
Black Sun Empire - Smoke (Sinthetix Remix)
Ancronix - The Operative (Unusual Incident Remix)
After mixing dnb for so long I personally think the scene is going a bit stale. The fact you might hear a new tune being played out by a big name DJ or Producer and knowing you wont be able to own it on vinyl yourself for atleast 6 months (on average) is crap. By the time you own it your bored of hearing it. Fuckin dubplate culture 
yea i know what you mean. i heard the klute mix of morning light about 3 to 4 months before it got released. on john peel. once i got the dub i rinsed it for 3 to 4 months and it kind of lost some of the magic when i eventually managed to get it on vinyl. its nice to see what dnb is gonna be like 4 months down the line. but it makes all the current tunes seem stale. and by the time its eventually released, the new dubs make them look stale too.
i do agree on recent dnb. i cant really think of many memorable 2005 anthems so far. even late 2004 i dont remember any.
one of my friends describes it as 'minty' and it sort of is. alot of incredibly well produced, playskool reece bassline driven tracks. that just loop over and over and just dont seem to go anywhere.
contrast that with exile & temper d - warehouse in 2002 when it looked like dnb was the verge of exploding and its crazy. not as well produced as more recent efforts but the distortion builds and builds and builds! and at a certain point you lose a sense of bassline looping around cuz its so aggressive and so constant and it just never lets up. absolute dancefloor killer.
or raiden - fallin' which is so fucking deep it'll make you want to cry (also 2002 - my god what a year). i cant help but feel something got lost in the transition from 2003 to 2004.
shopping on juno i havent heard that many dnb records in the past 6 months that i instantly go 'i have to have that!'
that said, going shopping for psy cds, i hear alot of tunes i have to have. i guess if the dnb gets boring its time to take a detour elsewhere and see what other great music is out there. then maybe come back to dnb when your interest peaks up a bit.
Wise words mate, we both see the scene in very similar ways. Theres definately a few forthcoming tunes I'm well into. A few are:
Marcus Intalex - Immersed
Makoto - Eastern Dub
Break and Hydro - Immaculate
A few D-Bridge tunes too..
But theres few tunes inbetween waiting for bits like the above. I can look back to about a year ago and I was ordering new vinyl every week, usually 3-4 bits. So now I'm just buying 90% techno which is all good because i love the techno!
Defintately agree with you on the levels of distortion in todays dnb. Actually makes my ears ache lol
heheh. 2002 - i was buying dnb records every fortnight. trance and bass looked like it was going somewhere! calibre was making fresh and funky tunes. the whole black sun sound was emerging. and it was good. dnb was broadening and taking on board so many different styles.
now trance and bass is dead in the water. calbire is still making funky tunes. just not quite so fresh. black sun have dropped the techstep, synthetic sound and are now doing dirty reece tracks. and well, so is everyone else.
i should check it out some techno. in recent years techno seems to have gotten alot harder, alot darker - it seems closer to hard house now than it does to old detroit techno. some of it is quite interesting though.
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| Originally posted by Derivative i should check it out some techno. in recent years techno seems to have gotten alot harder, alot darker - it seems closer to hard house now than it does to old detroit techno. some of it is quite interesting though. |
I've just upgraded my mixer to an Allen & Heath Xone 92, been playing with the two filters plus the LFO's makes for some mad mixing! Its pure fun! ...Whereas i find dnb mixing more limited.
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