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Prog in 2005
Im starting to find that a lot of progressive stuff getting released lately is lacking the substance that prog once had.
I guess it might be due to the ozgur can / matthew dekay / chable sound - and altho they have made some amazing stuff, its becoming a bit boring, and with heaps of people following on - well its getting done to death.
trance got to be boring to me after a while, as it all started sounding the same. prog is getting that way as well, with melodies becoming less interesting and bulked up using delays and so forth, which doesnt really make it that substantial.
dont get me wrong tho, prog is awesome, its a genre i will continue to support, its just taking a back seat for me atm.
even some of the stuff coming off silver planet (perhaps my fav label) is getting a bit mediocre.
it seems that its all loosing its chunky appeal that prog used to have.
but there is enough to keep me interested, guys like fortier and diggers are playing awesome - its more the melodic "trouse" bland kinda prog thats annoying.
oh and then theres electro prog. yer its cool, and its fun - but i think it could get tiring soon....
thats just my thoughts at the present time, im sure theyll change after seeing a few guys play in the coming months 
Come to tech-house, Kompakt style 
--djway
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| Originally posted by gumble oh and then theres electro prog. yer its cool, and its fun - but i think it could get tiring soon.... |
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| Originally posted by escee Oops it already is, and has been for a while for me. Glitchy electro prog is the new tech trance. |
I agree with you gumble. There is so much shit recycled prog these days its not even funny. Its becoming really difficult to find and sort thru the good stuff at the record shop these days 
its just gotta have bongos..
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| Originally posted by djway Kompakt as a label has been putting out releases well before techtrance was even thought of. Glitch/Dishwasher music/Sandpaper on the walls, has been around, and will be around. --djway |
Prog atm is fukin' awesome.
(ALthough I live in Melbourne and the shops are stocked up with the barra gear)
The dull stuff has almost disappeared from existence.
Yeah i understand what your saying about the deekay/melodic/no kick, or groove stuff getting boring (Although fuk, check his newest track 'Bad' out 
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Personally i reckon varied sets are the key..bitza trance, electro, house, tribal, acid-house, techno, tech-house, breakz, whatever are the way to go. Think outside the square. Dont just go in and listen to bedrock/silver PLanet/Baroque etc.
Im buyin about 10 prog rekkids a week atm, its sending me broke all over again, but damn its fun.
I had a listen to a new Sasha and Digweed mix comp vinyl thingo today, all the old stuff, then I had a listen to the new stuff, and really, same style, but the newer stuff is better.
Its time for prog to party for a bit, thank christ! 2 years ago it was the dullest form of dance music in the universe.
Its all going oldskool.
solution - write your own tunes guys.. the way you want it
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| Originally posted by Light The Fuse Prog atm is fukin' awesome. (ALthough I live in Melbourne and the shops are stocked up with the barra gear) The dull stuff has almost disappeared from existence. Yeah i understand what your saying about the deekay/melodic/no kick, or groove stuff getting boring (Although fuk, check his newest track 'Bad' out ) Personally i reckon varied sets are the key..bitza trance, electro, house, tribal, acid-house, techno, tech-house, breakz, whatever are the way to go. Think outside the square. Dont just go in and listen to bedrock/silver PLanet/Baroque etc. Im buyin about 10 prog rekkids a week atm, its sending me broke all over again, but damn its fun. I had a listen to a new Sasha and Digweed mix comp vinyl thingo today, all the old stuff, then I had a listen to the new stuff, and really, same style, but the newer stuff is better. Its time for prog to party for a bit, thank christ! 2 years ago it was the dullest form of dance music in the universe. Its all going oldskool. |
who was that?
Re: Prog in 2005
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| Originally posted by gumble trance got to be boring to me after a while, as it all started sounding the same. prog is getting that way as well, with melodies becoming less interesting |
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| Originally posted by Light The Fuse Prog atm is fukin' awesome. (ALthough I live in Melbourne and the shops are stocked up with the barra gear) The dull stuff has almost disappeared from existence. Yeah i understand what your saying about the deekay/melodic/no kick, or groove stuff getting boring (Although fuk, check his newest track 'Bad' out ) Personally i reckon varied sets are the key..bitza trance, electro, house, tribal, acid-house, techno, tech-house, breakz, whatever are the way to go. Think outside the square. Dont just go in and listen to bedrock/silver PLanet/Baroque etc. Im buyin about 10 prog rekkids a week atm, its sending me broke all over again, but damn its fun. I had a listen to a new Sasha and Digweed mix comp vinyl thingo today, all the old stuff, then I had a listen to the new stuff, and really, same style, but the newer stuff is better. Its time for prog to party for a bit, thank christ! 2 years ago it was the dullest form of dance music in the universe. Its all going oldskool. |
) and get a good overall perspective....
err, working for me i should say - its appealing to a lot of ppl.
I buy more tech house than prog these days. My latest mix cd only has 2 prog tracks out of 17. Good decent prog records are getting pretty hard to find these days, and I agree some of it does sound the same. The hype surrounding tunes astounds me sometimes. Case in point: Habersham & Phil K - Cloud Brake, sure, this tune is kinda tough, but after 10 seconds I'm bored. I've heard it all before. Personally, knowing Phil & Habersham's potential as a production duo, I don't think its worth the wax is pressed on. Lexicon Ave definitely make up for it with a really good remix.
Prog needs to focus on getting butts back on dancefloors instead of trying to prick the ears of every 18yr old prog geek going around. It seriously has become pathetic what 'prog djs' think is cool. All this hoo har about how good Nathan Fake & James Holden are is fucking crazy. Sure, it sounds ok in your earphones, but 99.9% of the dancing public don't get it. And at the end of the day, thats what your trying to achieve, get an ass or two shaking. Its all very well trying to play what I like to term as: 'Global Underground CD Music' but that's all it is, CD music. Make people sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, but don't play the same shit on a dancefloor! you'll bore the shit out of everyone!
These days prog appears to be dominated by middle aged elite dj's (Sasha, Digweed, Nick Warren et al) who are trying to reclaim the past by playing old shit that was never really all that good to begin with, or, young little computer geeks who spend all day in their dark basements seeing how clever they can be by making up retarted little 'glitch' sounds with not much else, and walah! We have a prog record that all the little kiddies with their first pair of technics will buy!
Slade's Progressive Advice:
Don't play purely progressive, its boring. Play a mixture of styles that you can pass off as a 'progressive set'- a minimal record here & there, tech house, funky house, breaks, whatever its all good, just as long as it means something and isn't a mish-mash of shit. Keep people interested, you won't do it with the latest batch of Bedrock & Plastic Fantastic records.
Prog labels to look out for:
Toes In The Sand Recordings
Electrofly Records
Alternative Route Recordings
EQ[Grey] Ltd.
Institution Breaks
Other key mentions:
Eukahouse & Eukatech
Midnight Recordings
Big Chief Recordings
Jamayka Records
Freerange Recordings
This is purely my opinion, which has so-far landed me 0 big gigs, but hey who really gives a shit about the minor details?
Slade.
Its true slade its all true.
James Holden may be advanced prog.
but who the fuck here is an advanced prog dj/producer? - and when 99.99% of audiences arent advanced listeners, whats the point of playing sets of intelligencia?
just listen to everything, jeezus im getting into intec stylez techno.
its good like that, with my most recent 100 odd records im confident i could play anywhere from honky tonks to bass station and everywhere in between.
In the end - it is all prog. all of it.
Mixture of style is key.
Back in the earlier days, DJs wouldn't be limited to playing one 'style' or another, they'd simply wanna put on a great set of good new music that a crowd could get down to. But in recent years DJs have been too bogged down with buzzwords and labels. As a DJ nowadays you're either one of two things...A DJ who copies other DJs style by fitting into a certain genre like progressive or techno, or you're a DJ who is nothing until a new label has been strapped to you and other DJs begin to copy your style.
Personally, I find DJs who can't switch up genres boring. I can't handle 6 hours of melodic trance, or 6 hours of ceaseless techno. I'd much prefer to see an up and coming DJ, able to mix a set with acid, tech-house, tribal, breakz, progressive, and dirty house instead of a travelling DJ who'll take the same show to 10 different cities.
Posted this on ITM about a year ago:
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| Progessive needs to become "progressive" again. It's all starting to sound the same to me with this chuggita-chuggita *atmospheric break-down* chuggita-chuggita thing they've got going. I blame Mick Burns, Markus Schultz and this "new breed" of producers, who just seem keen to sound as 2001 as possible. There's still some good music out there, but it's just too much effort to wade through the crap. How many truly great prog tracks can you name from the past 12 months? Excluding anything Infusion have touched? Then excluding anything that draws from predominantly tribal, housey or techy influences? We're not left with much, are we? Even on the DJ side, Sasha just kinda lapsed into playing cliched, anthemic prog (Hoochie Koochie, Hazy Way and Cowpander every set?), Digweed disappeared of the face of the Earth, Deep Dish made it perfectly clear that they're more interested in promoting Yoshitoshi than developing the progressive sound and the rest of the big-name DJs and producers (Dave Seaman, Nick Warren, Satoshi Tomiie etc.) continue to tread water. The only ones who come through this unscathed are those drawing their influences from beyond straight-up "progressive" music like Sander K (house, tribal) and James Zabeila (tech-house, acid, breaks) and Danny Howells (House, tech, tribal) or those who actually try to push the progressive sound beyond it's current stagnant state, like Steve Porter, Chris Fortier and so on. I know I'm sounding a bit doom and gloom, but I haven't given up hope yet. The five hours Mr Catteneo treated us to at Room made me remember why I fell in love with prog in the first place and hopefully marks the end of a barren 12 months for progressive music. Until then, however, allow me to be the first to say "long live tech-house". 8-) |
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Important point, but only relevent where "progression" means "the innovation of new sounds" rather than the propogation of old ones. The prog that is most innovative these days is that which draws primarily from pre-existent genres - the unique, genre defying prog of yesteryear is fading fast. Prog boomed as a genre in 2000/01 precisely because it was presenting a new sound to the world. Remember Cass & Slide's haunting, techy brilliance? The sublime beauty of Sander K's 4 Seasons EP? The dark, subterranean drive of Chab vs Nukem? The flawless, tribal-esque atomospherics of Moshic (and occasionally Zidan)? The stripped-bare disco stylings of Satoshi Tomiie? The cold, spacey breaks of Ashtrax? The dirty, chunky-as-fuck house of Deep Dish? The uplifting drive of Max Graham and Starecase? The percussive funk of Timo Mass? The bass-heavy, other-worldly melodies of James Holden (pre-14U)? The trippy basslines of Steve Porter? The best of the "new-breed" of producers are undoubtedly exceptional producers, but the diversity of progressive music seems to be diminishing (everyone seems to be emulating everyone elses sound) and the new producers don't seem to be introducing a hell of a lot of ideas. Maybe I just have a rose-tinted view of the past, but there was something innovative and exciting about progressive music that - with the exception of a few producers (like our own Infusion and Luke Chable) - you just don't find today. Take a look at some of the newer guys like Mick Burns (Panoptic, Blue Haze), Digital Witchcraft, Sultan and The Greek, Matthew Dekay, Flash Brothers, Echomen, Filterheadz, Noel Sanger, Subsky, Yunus Guvenen and so on. All excellent producers with some damn solid tracks, but how many of them have introduced anything to the genre that we hadn't already heard in 2000/01? How many of them have been able to produce a genuinely unique sound? Even the better prog DJs of today (Sander K, Danny Howells, Chris Fortier etc.) are only able to continue to sound fresh and interesting by drawing from influences from outside of the genre. When I hear a killer set by one of these guys, I'm not thanking the innovation of prog-producers, I'm thanking the innovation of housey, tribally and techy producers. Perhaps I'm going overboard on this, but - unless someone can turn up to turn things around - progressive will continue to grow stale. I still have hope (like I said, I was very impressed with Catteneo 8-)) and will continue to support the genre, but I don't think many in here will argue with the fact that - at the very least - "progressive" is beginning to lose its cutting-edge gloss. |
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They're good producers, they're just too heavily influenced by older prog music. When I think of new-breed producers who are genuinely pushing the sound forward, I'm thinking of guys like Kingkade, Mert Yucel, Pig & Dan, London 909, Descent (and some of the other Source of Gravity guys), Prawler, Remy, Klinkenberg, D-Formation and the Aussie producers like Infusion, Luke Chable, Jono Fernandez, Vance Musgrove and so on (well.... they're not all necessarily "new-breed" so to speak, but you get the idea). The other producers I mentioned, with one or two tracks that can be excluded (Harmonic Germs and Yimanya kick arse for instance), just aren't doing anything we haven't heard before. And perhaps next time you might want to try a reasoned response before questioning my credibility just because I don't happen to agree with you? |
well Digweed is back, and he plays disco
Werd to disco.
Seriously, deep house is the way to go. Ben Watt n his BuzzinFly buddies styles 
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| Originally posted by Pointy Ben Watt n his BuzzinFly buddies styles |
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic solution - write your own tunes guys.. the way you want it |
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| Originally posted by S_madis his Essential mix absolutely owns. Really soulful house, love that style these days. |
His new BuzzinFly mix is teh lovely
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