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Posted by Poncho on Mar-13-2005 23:21:

The new Zelda (LOTR by nintendo)

I just watched the two trailers on ign

dont get me wrong i fucking love the zelda series but there were just so many rip offs of LOTR in the trailers I saw.

Blatant.
The have war warg riders in horse chases (lotr 2)
Huge spider chasing link through a cavern (lotr 3)
link fighting balrog(without wings)in underground cavern(lotr1)

Kinda
ghost soldiers (lotr3)
link getting chased on his horse towards a castle with nazgul looking things flying after him (lotr3)

not that this will stop me from buying the game because i love LOTRs too but I just think its kinda lame

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 00:00:

1) Did you ever stop and wonder whether LOTR was actually based off of other old sci-fi stories? Well it is so PLEASE don't go into the "OH EM GEE ZELDA IS SUUUUUUUCH A RIP OFF OF LOTR".

2) There's already a topic about Zelda about 7 or 8 topics down.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=250464

Posted by DarkAngel on Mar-14-2005 00:13:

Posted by ogvh5150 on Mar-14-2005 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
1) Did you ever stop and wonder whether LOTR was actually based off of other old sci-fi stories? Well it is so PLEASE don't go into the "OH EM GEE ZELDA IS SUUUUUUUCH A RIP OFF OF LOTR".

2) There's already a topic about Zelda about 7 or 8 topics down.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=250464

Actually Lord of the Rings is based on Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen. Made famous by the helicopter gunship theme music in the Apocalypse Now movie. (CLICK FOR SYNOPSIS)

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
Actually Lord of the Rings is based on Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen. Made famous by the helicopter gunship theme music in the Apocalypse Now movie. (CLICK FOR SYNOPSIS)

Thank you for reinforcing my case.

Posted by Poncho on Mar-14-2005 03:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
1) Did you ever stop and wonder whether LOTR was actually based off of other old sci-fi stories? Well it is so PLEASE don't go into the "OH EM GEE ZELDA IS SUUUUUUUCH A RIP OFF OF LOTR".

2) There's already a topic about Zelda about 7 or 8 topics down.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=250464

no its a rip of LOTR

watch LOTR then watch the zelda trailers

total rip

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 04:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Poncho
no its a rip of LOTR

watch LOTR then watch the zelda trailers

total rip

I love how you're so sure of yourself. I didn't think it'd come to this but... now is the time to use my Zelda no Densetsu knowledge to show you just how wrong you are.

"Huge spider chasing link through a cavern (lotr 3)"

That would be a Gohma. Gohma has been in the Zelda series since the first game which was released 1987.

"The have war warg riders in horse chases (lotr 2)"

Hogs have been in the Zelda series since Zelda no Densetsu: Kamigami no Tri-force. Ganon, the Dark World's version of Ganondorf, was a huge hog. Ever since, hogs have been pretty evil creatures and quite higher-up for Ganon. This was in 1991.

"link fighting balrog(without wings)in underground cavern(lotr1)"

At no point does he fight a balrog. He fights something called "Lizalfos". They first appeared in Zelda no Densetsu: Ocarina of Time (Zelda 64) - That was 1998.

"ghost soldiers (lotr3)"

ZnD has had it's share of ghosts and stuff (poes and the undead) but I've yet to see something like this. Then again, I've seen "ghost armies" in movies that have been released long before LotR.

"link getting chased on his horse towards a castle with nazgul looking things flying after him (lotr3)"

So far keese and owls were used in the ZnD series but I have yet to know what these creatures are. Once more, there are a ton of movies before LotR that had random dragon-looking bird things.

By the way, I've seen the movies so I know what you're talking about for the most part.

Posted by Poncho on Mar-14-2005 04:52:

dont be a moron

the scenes in the trailers are ripoffs of scenes from the LOTR movies.

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 05:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Poncho
dont be a moron

the scenes in the trailers are ripoffs of scenes from the LOTR movies.

OH MY GOSH!

You're totally right. How can I be so wrong?

These people... They make me so ashamed to be gamers sometimes.

Posted by mezzir on Mar-14-2005 07:54:

after watching one of the trailers (are there more?) and being both an avid zelda fan ever since the first one for NES, and also a fan of tolkein's books, and to some extent the recent movies, i'm definately siding with yan on this one
just because one trilogy encompasses all the cliches of fantasy novels and movies into one big collection and still is ridiculously popular, doesn't mean that the cliches originated in those movies
omigod, a group of bad guys chasing the good guy as he's almost to safety, thats nevar happened before !!!!1!111

and something chasing the good guy down a path where the evil thing's so big he can't turn back! well i say that the lord of the rings is ripping off indiana jones then

god...all of these things have been done before
its just combining them in new ways
ever stop to think the lord of the rings cinematographers 'borrowed' a few ideas?

Posted by big_charm on Mar-14-2005 16:12:

Yan +1
I have been following Zelda since the SNES days. The new game does closely resemble LotR scenes, however, those characters have all been in the Zelda series way before LotR was put onto the silver screen.

Just my 2 cents

Posted by Poncho on Mar-14-2005 17:05:

while the characters maybe zelda originals theres no denying that the scenes are rips of LOTR scenes.

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Poncho
while the characters maybe zelda originals theres no denying that the scenes are rips of LOTR scenes.

I think the scenes used are VERY clich� so as to add to the drama of the game. However, the scenes from LotR are as clich�.

Posted by Poncho on Mar-14-2005 17:25:

yeah the warg rider scenes are so cliche i see it in all the movies

same with spiders chasing little elf boys down a dark tunnel ive seen that so many times.

Oh and people that fight huge firey monsters that are about the same size is so cliche too. I see that in tons of movies.

Posted by Yan on Mar-14-2005 17:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Poncho
yeah the warg rider scenes are so cliche i see it in all the movies

same with spiders chasing little elf boys down a dark tunnel ive seen that so many times.

Oh and people that fight huge firey monsters that are about the same size is so cliche too. I see that in tons of movies.

You're too closed-minded, my friend. Your inexperience in the movie and video game industries does not help reinforce your beliefs but HEY. You can keep telling yourself that you're right. It won't necessarily make you right... but whatever makes you happy.

Posted by Stassi on Mar-14-2005 19:04:

worst thread ever
poncho your a moron.

Posted by Yan on Mar-15-2005 07:11:

Update from IGN (I bolded the main ideas):

quote:
Concerning recent speculation, Nintendo representatives have now made it clear that The Legend of Zelda for GameCube won't necessarily ship this October. The recently unveiled Zelda trailer shown at the Game Developers Conference understandably fanned the flames of speculation concerning an early Holiday release. This specific rumor stems from one online retailer's release date for the game, which stated it would ship October 2005. Earlier today, Nintendo reiterated that nothing has been made official yet.

"We haven't announced any potential release dates for the new Legend of Zelda title. Everything published to date is entirely speculation and we hope to announce more about the game at E3 in May."

And there you have it. According to Nintendo's official website, The Legend of Zelda for GameCube is still set to hit retailers by the end of 2005, but it's anyone's guess as to which month. Also, Nintendo has yet to announce the official title or any other details concerning gameplay or story, other than the fact that Link will be older. All anyone knows for sure is that the game looks amazing. And given Nintendo's track record with the series, fans will undoubedtly be in for a classic gaming experience.

Posted by BeatFreak on Mar-17-2005 18:41:

Who gives a shit. It's still Nintendo.

Anybody up for some Donkey Kong Banana Bee Bop Party 5?

Posted by Plump Funk on Mar-17-2005 20:43:

video game vs movie??? what a stupid comparison.
i'm Definitely buying the game not because the game looks like LOTR or not its because its a great game, and BTW the scenes look amaizing.

Posted by Ben Brown on Mar-24-2005 02:29:

the lord of the rings series was invented by jrr tolkein, who created the stories from bed time stories he told his childen/nieces/nephews at family gatherings. the books were written in the mid 20th century (i think the 40s) i'm quite sure zelda wasn't around then... a 'lot' of the fantasy worlds conjured up today have a base in tolkein's lore, but not all. he also invented a language... its the one the elves speak in the movies

Posted by Yan on Mar-24-2005 03:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Benjamin B
the lord of the rings series was invented by jrr tolkein, who created the stories from bed time stories he told his childen/nieces/nephews at family gatherings. the books were written in the mid 20th century (i think the 40s) i'm quite sure zelda wasn't around then... a 'lot' of the fantasy worlds conjured up today have a base in tolkein's lore, but not all. he also invented a language... its the one the elves speak in the movies

Yes but if you think back, these stories of made-up lands go back to the first millenium and even farther back. I'm Moldovian and grew up being told tales that originated from the Slavic countries around the early 13th century. Tolkien's got nothing on that.

Anyways, Shigeru Miyamoto had his own world in mind for the Zelda no Densetsu series. After all, the Japanese were quite seperate from the remainder of the world until late in the 20th century. So please... let's not continue this conversation.