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Is this legit?

I know some djs who claim to do mixes at home and then play them at nightclubs (i guess under the pretence it is live mixing). Does anyone know if this practice is widespread / ethical?

LMFAO.. how can they call themselves DJ's?

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Originally posted by nankervis I know some djs who claim to do mixes at home and then play them at nightclubs (i guess under the pretence it is live mixing). Does anyone know if this practice is widespread / ethical?

It's not live mixing because they get as many chances as they want to get a mix right at home. If a dj is actually playing live then he only gets one chance to get it right.

People who do this sort of thing are idiots. I bet they stand there pretending to mix, sad ****s. NO talent and NO guts to do it right!!

ive heard plenty of times that oakenfold has done this

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Originally posted by Nou the milli vanilli of djs?

who cares. if it gets the crowd going then its fine in my books. DJs = entertainers first and foremost. if it entertains - good job. if it consistantly doesnt - please do consider another profession.

the only downside to pre recorded or pre configured sets is that you cant play to the crowd. if they like it you are lucky. if they are starting to turn off the vibe then theres no way to change direction unless you get down and dirty and change it live. in most cases you wont always get away with running off ready made sets. although if you do pull it off then fair enough.

the other thing is standing around looking like a lemon. if you are gonna pre record a set at least be seen to do something. if you dont need to actually mix records then get a keyboard out and layer some synth hooks over the top. do some crazeh shat with some effects units. just do SOMETHING that

1) doesnt make you look like a lemon
2) doesnt give off the impression that you dont have an ounce of talent.

i also tend to feel that theres a distinct lack of 'energy' if its recorded. it generally sounds it although i have been proven wrong in some cases. hearing some of dark angel's full on psy sets on mp3 was mindblowing. i guess if it was as well constructed as these sets (even though they are performed live) i wouldnt mind so much if it was just the record playing back because it sounds PHAT.

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Originally posted by Derivative DJs = entertainers first and foremost. if it entertains - good job. if it consistantly doesnt - please do consider another profession.

there not djing though

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Originally posted by Derivative who cares. if it gets the crowd going then its fine in my books. DJs = entertainers first and foremost. if it entertains - good job. if it consistantly doesnt - please do consider another profession.

oh dear - what are you talking about

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Originally posted by Derivative who cares. if it gets the crowd going then its fine in my books. DJs = entertainers first and foremost. if it entertains - good job. if it consistantly doesnt - please do consider another profession.

I can see where this is coming from and I guess it would be alright for them to do it if they didn't bill themselves as a live DJ. If they billed themselves as the DJ with the pre-recorded sets then by all means go ahead. It's just the fact that everyone thinks they're mixing live and they're not. IMO it's no better than Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson.

i saw DJ EZ do this once, he pretended he was mixing and got paid 2 grand for it!!! things like that really piss me off, especially someone like him who is actually a really damn good dj (technically, not necissarily my kinda music)

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Originally posted by Wraith It's just the fact that everyone thinks they're mixing live and they're not. IMO it's no better than Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson.

exactly, its the pretending that makes these people wankers, not the fact that theyre using prerecorded sets

It's the things are going with us dj's...
Most of us think of it as a job not a way to express yourself threw music...
Anyway being a dj meens that you express yourself threw music how can you do that by using a recorded set???

What I have done on occasion is had a mix of two songs recorded on a CD. But never with the pretense that I was doing the mix. Simple reason being that I wanted to do something over the top of it and had other things in mind and the place I was playing didn't have three decks or alternatively the trick that I wished to carry out was beyond my ability to mix and trick at the same time.

However, yes it's true on occassion that some of the top jocks have been known to do this.
Personally I'm not sure if it's even legally acceptable in terms of contract. If a DJ came on before or after me and played a whole set off one CD and pretended to do it I think I would have to speak my mind.
While it's sad in itself one also has to question what the point of doing that would be. It's devastating to your rep and makes me ask the question why even bother. If you find it that boring to DJ why do you do it?

Cheers
Nem

Yea i would do that.........


only if the 3 turntables at the club i play at blew up/stopped working and out of 3 cdj only 1 of them worked. Yea sure thats when i would pop the prerecorded mix.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 What I have done on occasion is had a mix of two songs recorded on a CD. (...)

Good idea if you need to go to the toilet
But otherwise, I just find it plain stupid to pre-record whole sets..

Two things:

A) If someone actually has the balls to go up there and fake a mix (play with the mixer, hold up records, put them on, headphones on, headphones off, spin the record back) when a CD is really playing some premixed stuff...well that's just wrong.

B) I actually saw this happen before. I was at a small club and the DJ was up there workin' the decks. Then this mix comes on for about 20 min that I swear I'd heard before. I finally figure out what the mix was -- Carl Cox and Sven Vath at Love Parade (at least that's what I know it as, not sure what year 99 maybe). I went to the bar, got a drink, and began to laugh...and laughed some more. I go up to the DJ booth and say "Nice job Coxy" I don't think the guy was expecting anyone to know that a) he wasn't mixing b) could identify who did the mix orginally.

Too funny.

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Originally posted by amartinathome B) I actually saw this happen before. I was at a small club and the DJ was up there workin' the decks. Then this mix comes on for about 20 min that I swear I'd heard before. I finally figure out what the mix was -- Carl Cox and Sven Vath at Love Parade (at least that's what I know it as, not sure what year 99 maybe). I went to the bar, got a drink, and began to laugh...and laughed some more. I go up to the DJ booth and say "Nice job Coxy" I don't think the guy was expecting anyone to know that a) he wasn't mixing b) could identify who did the mix orginally. Too funny.

That is pathetic. Hilarious, but pathetic.

if I was the promoter I'd make sure that dj never got a gig in his life. I'd spread it around every music forum I knew.

As someone pointed out. Why do people dj if they don't really like doing it.

i think it depends on the situation...

if you're using a single track from a pre recorded mix then id let it fly(tiesto did this at TIC, oyu can hear the mix coming in right b4 he spins it back and throws in David Forbes - Answers)

if you do whats been explained here where you act as if youre mixing but in reality youre just turning knobs like a douche then you need a swift kick in the ass and your records to be stolen

thats pathetic, why cheat yourself out of a perfectly good oportunity to own the floor?

Yea I dunno how people could do that, even is the promoter let me play a CD and the crowd knew about it but wouldn't mind, I'd STILL play live, otherwise I might aswell go hit the bar.

There is one exception I heard not long ago, can't remember the DJ, but they are a pretty well known DJ, anyway he was playing a gig on the back of a moving Semi, and well as you can probably tell, the needles were jumping all over the place, so he had no choice but to throw in a CD and pretend to mix, its messed up, but I don't think thats bad, what else you gonna do, I don't think he had all his music on CD to spin so couldn't do that.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 What I have done on occasion is had a mix of two songs recorded on a CD. But never with the pretense that I was doing the mix.

I feel as if I may need to expand on this point a little as some of you might be thinking I'm some sort of cheap 'wing it' sort of DJ...

The situation when I do this is mainly when I have two songs one mixing into the other and what I do on the pre recorded CD is beat Juggle between the incoming and outgoing tracks. Keep in mind it's still my skills on the CD so I have still had to put in the practice to learn those skills.

At the same time I will either scratch using a CDJ or 1210 (depending on what's available).

The CD that's got the mix on it also bursts into a key lift so there are a whole lot of things going on in that mix that are just a little too much for me to control.
I'm not saying there isn't turntablists out there that couldn't do it but this just a little too far beyond my own turntablism skills to do all at once.

The way I see it, the end result is effective and people really get a kick out of hearing something different that's packed with energy. In my book this is being creative and working hard to please the crowd, also putting in the work and preparation before hand is not wrong if it means you will give a better performance.

This is something that I will do when going towards the climax of my set and it's only once really that I will do it.

What I do think sounds really wanky on the other hand is when DJ's have pre recorded scratching to play over the top of a track. It's usually played back out of synch and just doens't sound right.

My two euros worth
Nem

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Originally posted by Derivative who cares. if it gets the crowd going then its fine in my books. DJs = entertainers first and foremost. if it entertains - good job. if it consistantly doesnt - please do consider another profession.

a true dj plays the crowd not records

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Originally posted by Soliman It's the things are going with us dj's... Most of us think of it as a job not a way to express yourself threw music... Anyway being a dj meens that you express yourself threw music how can you do that by using a recorded set???

100% Totally agree with you!!

If you didn't pretend you were mixing live, but just sat there, then would it be acceptable?

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Originally posted by nankervis If you didn't pretend you were mixing live, but just sat there, then would it be acceptable?

why would someone need to be there? to press play on the cd deck lol?

for real tho. whats the point of being there with a pre-recorded mix? what are you gonna do? sit there noddin ur head like a chicken ??

The bottom line is this.

You are loosing the connection with the crowd. You might as well buy a premixed CD and stick it on and be done with the DJ all together.
It is not ok to play a whole set on CD it is sure as hell not ok to prettend you are doing when indeed you are not.

If it assists with creativity that's one thing, if what you are doing is dependant one something being prepared in order to achieve a desired effect that's one thing... and could even be considered taking it to the next level etc.

But in answer to the original posters question, basically the DJ that does this without the need to do so is by all accounts a fraud. I still don't see why the hell someone would want to do this unless technology let them down and had no choice.

Cheers
Nem

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