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Posted by FStraat on Mar-15-2005 04:19:

Ultra: a social status

Well, today I talked to a friend that I had time not speaking to, and she told me she was going to Ultra, and that in fact she has VIP tickets. And well she doesn't even like this kind of music. She is going beacuse Ultra is the 'cool' thing to do right now, and has become comercial enough for consumers to enjoy. What ever happened to the love for the music? When did the whole 'dress-up' to go see a DJ spin became a must? Where has the rave comunity gone?
Is it just me that i feel 'insulted' about this music be taken as a 'social status'?

Posted by ambs on Mar-15-2005 04:21:

awwww poor baby! come here, I will make you feel better

haha now on a serious note.... you will always find people like that, that think it's the "cool" thing to do. simply, there aren't enough massive events for young people to go to, or even enough clubs etc, and well... when little kids want to feel big.... you know the drill

Posted by arturob on Mar-15-2005 04:27:

no offense but vip rocks we love vip & backstage!!!

Posted by FStraat on Mar-15-2005 04:30:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
no offense but vip rocks we love vip & backstage!!!

well, one thing is a "groupie VIP", which i do respect, and one thing is "im cool because I LOVE THE COCK"ohh wait....arent those the same?

Posted by LiquidX on Mar-15-2005 04:30:

Well, ever since I got into this music, been veteran of Ultra liteally, from Ultra 2k @ SoBe, where the Boom began and then getting moved to bayfront park.. yea, there was also Zen Fest among many other party's, they all had this special vibe, and there were also this Full Moon party's where I used to see EdgarV ( before he was famous perhaps ) .. as well the OLD CLUB SPACe.. it had that underground feel, where people that really aprecciated the music usually went.

It's funny though, I suppose ravers are totally hated now, but I must admit that those party's really had something special.. everyone sort of bonded for the music, and with the music.. perhaps us TA"s know whats the drill here.. when we either go to see the fave Dj's, the Tiesto whores, Sander Whores.. real music lovers, and yeah... Ultra has hit the time where it's success has translated into commercialism.. this same commercialism atracted a whole new breed of youngis who have taken this music into a different direction, perhaps a trend? Fashion ? .. or to just go to Ultra to just POSE or say.. Oh I went to Ultra Im cool....

I get where you are coming from Luis.. my sister has friends who keep saying they want to go to Ultra because is cool ( even though they are hot chicks.. I just neglect to help them out on going ) .. I even tell them to not bother .. but yeah, maybe someday this will go under again.. and I think the first sign of it has been the death of the party93.1.

Posted by arturob on Mar-15-2005 04:31:

quote:
Originally posted by FStraat
well, one thing is a "groupie VIP", which i do respect, and one thing is "im cool because I LOVE THE COCK"ohh wait....arent those the same?

Posted by FStraat on Mar-15-2005 04:32:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob

haha chill man, its all good. as long you do it for the music! we love to see you up there!

Posted by djperfuse on Mar-15-2005 04:33:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
Well, ever since I got into this music, been veteran of Ultra liteally, from Ultra 2k @ SoBe, where the Boom began and then getting moved to bayfront park.. yea, there was also Zen Fest among many other party's, they all had this special vibe, and there were also this Full Moon party's where I used to see EdgarV ( before he was famous perhaps ) .. as well the OLD CLUB SPACe.. it had that underground feel, where people that really aprecciated the music usually went.

It's funny though, I suppose ravers are totally hated now, but I must admit that those party's really had something special.. everyone sort of bonded for the music, and with the music.. perhaps us TA"s know whats the drill here.. when we either go to see the fave Dj's, the Tiesto whores, Sander Whores.. real music lovers, and yeah... Ultra has hit the time where it's success has translated into commercialism.. this same commercialism atracted a whole new breed of youngis who have taken this music into a different direction, perhaps a trend? Fashion ? .. or to just go to Ultra to just POSE or say.. Oh I went to Ultra Im cool....

I get where you are coming from Luis.. my sister has friends who keep saying they want to go to Ultra because is cool ( even though they are hot chicks.. I just neglect to help them out on going ) .. I even tell them to not bother .. but yeah, maybe someday this will go under again.. and I think the first sign of it has been the death of the party93.1.

very good post!!!

Posted by el.maestro on Mar-15-2005 04:34:

The fact that someone would pay for something they don't really want just because they think it is cool is sad. You shouldn't feel insulted at all because this person obviously has no real opinion of their own.

Don't feel insulted, feel pitty.

Posted by djperfuse on Mar-15-2005 04:40:

The only thing that bugs me about these people that think ultra is the "cool" thing to do is, that they are often the ones making stupid comments like "it all sounds they same" or "i only like the music when i'm fucked up" these are the people that are really killing the scene!

Posted by el.maestro on Mar-15-2005 04:56:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
I just neglect to help them out on going ) .. I even tell them to not bother ...

Last year, I was @ Space to see PVD. It was early and another DJ was still on (dont' remember who). Someone walks up to my friend and I and asked us if that was Paul Van Dyk. I just looked at her and said "What?!! Get out!" as I stared at her in disbelief.

It was a bit harsh looking back. But people like that will cram into Space all because they think it's cool while the rest of us suffer the maddening crowds as a result.

Who would have thought 7 years ago that a little beach party in Miami would become the stuff of legend today...... We did.

WMC & Ultra rival some of the largest festivals in the world
Love Parade, San Francisco
Ultra Music Festival, Miami
Dance Valley, Netherlands
Godskitchen Global Gathering, UK
Trance Energy, Netherlands

IDMA nominations

I read on a flyer that Ultra's going to NYC! Couldn't believe it. If they do pull it off, I'll be there because that, my friends will be a serious party.

Posted by signde on Mar-15-2005 05:01:

quote:
Originally posted by FStraat
well, one thing is a "groupie VIP", which i do respect, and one thing is "im cool because I LOVE THE COCK"ohh wait....arent those the same?

haahha

no shit

someone has to play fluffer girl to all those big name dj's

Posted by vtec junkie on Mar-15-2005 05:52:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
no offense but vip rocks we love vip & backstage!!!

don't you mean backdoor?

Posted by Jimmy D on Mar-15-2005 06:23:

quote:
Originally posted by el.maestro I read on a flyer that Ultra's going to NYC!

I believe this was only due to the mayor of Mami trying to put a stop to Ultra last year and him not wanting the festival in his city anymore but i guess he had a change of heart so i believe Ultra is staying in Miami for a while.

Posted by el.maestro on Mar-15-2005 11:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy D
I believe this was only due to the mayor of Mami trying to put a stop to Ultra last year and him not wanting the festival in his city anymore but i guess he had a change of heart so i believe Ultra is staying in Miami for a while.

If that's true, it would seem like a galacticly stupid move for the City of Miami. Serious revenue is brought in as a result of this one event. Maybe he should cancell the boat show also.

Posted by MJM74 on Mar-15-2005 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by djperfuse
The only thing that bugs me about these people that think ultra is the "cool" thing to do is, that they are often the ones making stupid comments like "it all sounds they same" or "i only like the music when i'm fucked up" these are the people that are really killing the scene!

exactly. these are the ones who kill our scene. the ones who give it a bad name or as we were discussing in another thread.. (stereotyping). Peeps don;t realize there are a peeps that actually love the music without being on any type

thats sad to hear that peeps only go to these types of events cuz its the in thing & not be able to enjoy the music unless they are on something.

they really SUCK!!!

Posted by ex-dj on Mar-15-2005 15:10:

honestly i wish we had MORE people like that up here.
without enough people coming to the shows and clubs the scene will die, and lets face it with anything there aren't that many true hardcore fans. these people help us out in a way, otherwise we'd still have to go to warehouse parties to hear our music, only to have em shutdown by the cops.
it beats the mass of the general population who only listen to rap/hip-hop cuz its "cool" and now you can't go to 90% of the clubs in orlando without hearing that horrible usher song for the 80,000th time!
so yea, i don't mind em (especially if they're hot girls )

party on posers!

Posted by MJM74 on Mar-15-2005 15:25:

quote:
Originally posted by ex-dj
honestly i wish we had MORE people like that up here.
without enough people coming to the shows and clubs the scene will die, and lets face it with anything there aren't that many true hardcore fans. these people help us out in a way, otherwise we'd still have to go to warehouse parties to hear our music, only to have em shutdown by the cops.
it beats the mass of the general population who only listen to rap/hip-hop cuz its "cool" and now you can't go to 90% of the clubs in orlando without hearing that horrible usher song for the 80,000th time!
so yea, i don't mind em (especially if they're hot girls )

party on posers!

i guess ur right.

it has its positive & its negative

Posted by NiteMer on Mar-15-2005 16:05:

I can't stand the people that are only in the club, because it's the cool place to be, but I'd rather have them around than not. It's hard enough to pack a club, especially consistently, and they are still more people watching you play. Granted the ones that say "everything sounds the same" are lame, but a lot of those people do enjoy the music, even if it's not their passion.

Posted by RzO on Mar-15-2005 16:09:

quote:
Originally posted by ex-dj

party on posers!

awesome james!!!!

Posted by djperfuse on Mar-15-2005 17:20:

Posted by LiquidX on Mar-15-2005 20:42:

The Politics of Music heh .. at least we can agree that the experience is not thes same