Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

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Posted by DJ Laz on Mar-15-2005 08:34:

Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

in regards to sebas in the closed thread. I wish to make this a civil one with out flaming and to discuss the issue at hand.

I believe it is still wrong to download (for free) livesets from dj's and use digital cd decks and mix them again to make money or sell them. In no way do artists recieve compensation to use their tracks. However when buying vinyl, mp3, cd the artists still get paid for their work and thus spinning live or selling as a live set is ok. Or are laws different for live set cut ups?

That is what i believe. Opinions appreciated. no flaming please.

Posted by DJ Cinos on Mar-15-2005 08:37:

Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
I believe it is still wrong to download (for free) livesets from dj's and use digital cd decks and mix them again to make money or sell them.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal. It's morally wrong even if it isn't illegal. Leeches.

It's infringement on copyright law. However, I'm not schooled in law, so any exact answer would be welcome.

Posted by PersianMafia on Mar-15-2005 08:38:

More and more do I see people on ebay selling CDRs with livesets on them. What's the legalilty (word?) of that?

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-15-2005 13:02:

Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
in regards to sebas in the closed thread. I wish to make this a civil one with out flaming and to discuss the issue at hand.

I believe it is still wrong to download (for free) livesets from dj's and use digital cd decks and mix them again to make money or sell them. In no way do artists recieve compensation to use their tracks. However when buying vinyl, mp3, cd the artists still get paid for their work and thus spinning live or selling as a live set is ok. Or are laws different for live set cut ups?

That is what i believe. Opinions appreciated. no flaming please.

Is downloading mp3s and playing them legal? Go look up what happened to the Italian dj got caught doing that.

Posted by UWM on Mar-15-2005 15:55:

Posts like this make my brain hurt.

Posted by flavdave on Mar-15-2005 17:30:

Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
in regards to sebas in the closed thread. I wish to make this a civil one with out flaming and to discuss the issue at hand.

I believe it is still wrong to download (for free) livesets from dj's and use digital cd decks and mix them again to make money or sell them. In no way do artists recieve compensation to use their tracks. However when buying vinyl, mp3, cd the artists still get paid for their work and thus spinning live or selling as a live set is ok. Or are laws different for live set cut ups?

That is what i believe. Opinions appreciated. no flaming please.

You hit the nail on the head. "DJ" Sebas is just a no talent scam artist. It's funny to think that people bash DJs like Tiesto and Oakenfold who aren't the best mixers, but they certainly deserve a huge amount of respect compared to that nut job.

Posted by AlphaStarred on Mar-15-2005 17:33:

doesn't this go without saying?

pointless thread.

Posted by sandstorm03 on Mar-15-2005 17:46:

quote:
Originally posted by AlphaStarred
doesn't this go without saying?

pointless thread.

it fits right in then

Posted by AlphaStarred on Mar-15-2005 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
it fits right in then

and that doesn't come as a surprise..heh

Posted by CosmoKid on Mar-15-2005 19:49:

Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz

I believe it is still wrong to download (for free) livesets from dj's and use digital cd decks and mix them again to make money or sell them.

are you saying people download livesets, then rip songs off of those live sets, and then mix those songs into one of their own sets?

what dumbass would do that? any song that you do that to you couldnt mix properly because there is no real intro or outro. the last DJ mixed using the intro and outro so either you have to mix after the intro and before the outro OR you have to mix an intro that already has an outro attched to it.

Posted by flavdave on Mar-15-2005 19:51:

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quote:
Originally posted by CosmoKid
are you saying people download livesets, then rip songs off of those live sets, and then mix those songs into one of their own sets?

what dumbass would do that? any song that you do that to you couldnt mix properly because there is no real intro or outro. the last DJ mixed using the intro and outro so either you have to mix after the intro and before the outro OR you have to mix an intro that already has an outro attched to it.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=28323

Posted by memusa on Mar-15-2005 20:05:

I don't usually like to point fingers in TA, but this so called "DJ" Sebas is a joke. Mixing various live sets from already established artists and calling them his own is an insult to every single person who's trying to become a DJ in here or any other place in the world.

You can critisize song selection, mixing technique, CDR vs Vinyl use, set structure, etc., from any DJ in the world, and that's OK because that type of criticism is perfectly healthy and I believe necessary to make us all better at what we do (at least those of us who DJ).

This Sebas guy shouldn't even have the privilege of any EDM fan criticising his sets to make him a better DJ, because to put it simple, he's not a real DJ. All he is is a joke and an insult to all of us who own decks.

BTW, I would really like to know the name if the place in Barcelona where he has a residency or at least where he claims he's played at. I've been to Barcelona many many times and have attended the awesome clubs over there. I wouldn't be surprised if this "place" is no other than a friends crummy local bar.

Sorry for all this. I just had to get it ou of my system after reading that other thread this morning. Like I said, I don't like to point fingers, but this guy just had it coming, especially after the utterly idiotic comments he made.

Posted by DJ Laz on Mar-15-2005 20:09:

quote:
Originally posted by AlphaStarred
doesn't this go without saying?

pointless thread.

if it is pointless, why post? then there must be some kind of point for you to consume your time and reply, with what i can say is a pointless entry.

I merely wanted to point out something I never noticed til DJ Sebas mentioned it and voice my opinions. Am i not entitled to that? thank you.

Posted by colonelcrisp on Mar-15-2005 20:17:

wow i just read that thread...... ha ha ha ha that guy got so pwned!!!

especially with his WMC appearance......

Posted by CosmoKid on Mar-15-2005 20:26:

Re: Re: Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=28323

thats the funniest shit i ever heard.

you mean i dont have to spend hours every day practicing BEATMATCHING in order to eventually play WMC?

this guy was/is serious? its bad enough he brought up a 4 year old thread....but to then defend himself...lol.

and how do you get better at fading in and out of other live sets?

and how do you then spin at a live party?

Posted by mto on Mar-15-2005 21:04:

Hold on. There are people/amateur DJs that download live sets and then play them in clubs as their own?
HOLY SHIT! BRILLIANT IDEA! Dj MTO got a job now.

This is so fuckin' wrong, but those who make money off of this.. what smart asses.

Posted by mikefasssy on Mar-15-2005 22:08:

some guys are trying to sell holdens mixes of brittney on ebay even after the free download was up

Posted by Konijn on Mar-15-2005 22:11:

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quote:
Originally posted by CosmoKid
thats the funniest shit i ever heard.

you mean i dont have to spend hours every day practicing BEATMATCHING in order to eventually play WMC?

this guy was/is serious? its bad enough he brought up a 4 year old thread....but to then defend himself...lol.

and how do you get better at fading in and out of other live sets?

and how do you then spin at a live party?

wow -- that guy's sets sound the like "pause-button" mixtapes i used to make in junior high and high school...

Posted by mikefasssy on Mar-15-2005 22:14:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Using songs from livesets to MAKE MONEY

quote:
Originally posted by CosmoKid
thats the funniest shit i ever heard.

you mean i dont have to spend hours every day practicing BEATMATCHING in order to eventually play WMC?

this guy was/is serious? its bad enough he brought up a 4 year old thread....but to then defend himself...lol.

and how do you get better at fading in and out of other live sets?

and how do you then spin at a live party?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aahahahahah i just read that thread. oh man. that is quality stuff.