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Organize your vinyls?

if so, how?


mine's alphabetical atm

Either you havent got a lot of vinyl, or you have got waaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands!! I have got over 5000 vinyl and wouldnt even know where to start!I have been buying vinyl since the early nineties.
I have mine in order of genre (old skool, trance, hard house, funky house etc) but mainly keep new stuff in one or two boxes, then after a while they get put with the rest.

MP

iv got mine sorted by key at the minute, find it helps for better sounding mixes

By key???
Firstly - how do you go about finding the key they are in?
Secondly - How many records are sorted into key at the moment? You cant have that many that are in the same key?
And thirdly - Thats all very well in the bedroom, but what if you were doing a club and in the middle of your 'perfect' set (all in perfect key) someone asks you to put on a tune. Please dont tell me you would say no because it wouldnt go with your set.
Would you only take the tunes that make up your set?

That is the measure of a great DJ - Knowing your tunes inside out, knowing where the breaks are and being able to mix any tune (as long its the same genre)

Mixing by key sounds all too 'perfect' IMHO

MP

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=233914

yeah i see what you mean, and i can mix out of key. however mixing in key is just my preference i feel a lot more comfortable doing it this way.
cheers

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Originally posted by MessiahProject By key??? Firstly - how do you go about finding the key they are in? Secondly - How many records are sorted into key at the moment? You cant have that many that are in the same key? And thirdly - Thats all very well in the bedroom, but what if you were doing a club and in the middle of your 'perfect' set (all in perfect key) someone asks you to put on a tune. Please dont tell me you would say no because it wouldnt go with your set. Would you only take the tunes that make up your set? That is the measure of a great DJ - Knowing your tunes inside out, knowing where the breaks are and being able to mix any tune (as long its the same genre) Mixing by key sounds all too 'perfect' IMHO MP

1- Many people with a musical background can listen to a tune and determine which key they are in. Some people even use a guitar or keyboard to determine which key their tunes are in.

2- There are only a limited amount of keys your tunes can be in. Look at the sticky at the top of the page to learn more about keys. When you play harmonically (by key), you are not playing an entire set in the same key. You may play a few tunes in a row in the same key, and then switch to another key. Which key you move to is very important. Certain keys work well together and some dont. You need to know whcih do.

3- You take requests?!?!?! LOL. What are you a wedding DJ? If someone came up to me and requested somethign I would laugh like hell (maybe on the inside).


No offense. Please dont read this and assume tone. But your entire post makes you sound like a newb. Read the forums a bit more. There is a sticky on Harmonics that you may find very informative.


Personally I do not mix using harmonics, but I do not have any musical training in my background. And harmonics is more applicable to Epic Trance then it is to Progressive House/Trance because of the melodies.

Dont knock someone's methods until you know what they are talking about.

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Originally posted by MessiahProject That is the measure of a great DJ - Knowing your tunes inside out, knowing where the breaks are and being able to mix any tune (as long its the same genre) Mixing by key sounds all too 'perfect' IMHO MP

and another thing....

I agree about knowing your tunes inside and out, but I do not agree with your statement about tunes in the same genre.

The measure of a good DJ is knowing tunes that sound great together, no matter what the genre. Tunes do not need to be in the same genre to go well together.

You can mix techno with prog house with electro with trance with funky house. If you know your records well enough you will know which sound good together.

Look at Van Dyk. While I am not a lover or a hater, I respect that he can drop tunes from 7 diffewrent genres in one 3 hour set. And I mean back to back, not 1/2 hour of house, then 1/2 hour of trance, etc.

There are PLENTY of DJs who do not limit themselves to genres. Those are the ones I tend to like.

In reply Cosmokid-
Fisrtly I am certainly not a newb - I have been DJing for the last 13 years, I started out in the early house years and DJ'd in clubs with the likes of Carl Cox,Doc Scott, playing early hardcore and piano anthems etc in the early nineties.

Secondly when I said you couldnt mix different genres I actually meant to the xtreme (trying to drop Oasis into a Tiesto track or Coldplay into a Corsten number!!)

Of course I understand that a DJ will know if tunes sound good together, I just personally think its going too far just putting records together because of their key - that isnt very 'crowd' friendly - what if your set isnt going very well, and it needs livening up but you cant mix it up because you have only ever mixed these records with the same key? - That is my point, and Im sorry if I offended you (it sounds like I have)

And finally - yes I do requests (maybe im a bit old skool) but DJing used to be about the crowd (I hope it still is?), and if I was doing a 3 hour set in a club and I was getting people asking me to put something on, if I had it with me I would - at the end of the day the biggest buzz in the world is seeing the crowd in the palm of your hand and having literally hundreds of people shaking your hand after your set and saying what a great night they had because of me.

It all seems to have got too technical,regimented and perfect for my liking -mixing with CD's and MP3's - what next? Just perfect your mix in your room and hand over the CD to the club for an hour?
Sorry if I sound a bit anoyed but I learned the hard way and worked hard to be a good Dj, and im not afraid to admit it. I dont need to read forums to tell me how to DJ - I made money from learning the hard way and have played to thousands of people a night, so dont assume I am a newb.

The more I read in the DJ booth, the more im glad I dont DJ anymore and have moved into producing, thats where the hard work is - not cueing up a CD that already matches the beat or dragging and dropping an MP3 into Traktor.

Bring back REAL DJing - long live Carl Cox!!!!!

I arrange mine by Key and BPM oh yeah and genre. Whats awesome about knowing the key of your songs is it makes it that much easier to mix across a few genres and have it sound sooo smooth.

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Originally posted by MessiahProject In reply Cosmokid- Fisrtly I am certainly not a newb - I have been DJing for the last 13 years, I started out in the early house years and DJ'd in clubs with the likes of Carl Cox,Doc Scott, playing early hardcore and piano anthems etc in the early nineties. Secondly when I said you couldnt mix different genres I actually meant to the xtreme (trying to drop Oasis into a Tiesto track or Coldplay into a Corsten number!!) Of course I understand that a DJ will know if tunes sound good together, I just personally think its going too far just putting records together because of their key - that isnt very 'crowd' friendly - what if your set isnt going very well, and it needs livening up but you cant mix it up because you have only ever mixed these records with the same key? - That is my point, and Im sorry if I offended you (it sounds like I have) And finally - yes I do requests (maybe im a bit old skool) but DJing used to be about the crowd (I hope it still is?), and if I was doing a 3 hour set in a club and I was getting people asking me to put something on, if I had it with me I would - at the end of the day the biggest buzz in the world is seeing the crowd in the palm of your hand and having literally hundreds of people shaking your hand after your set and saying what a great night they had because of me. It all seems to have got too technical,regimented and perfect for my liking -mixing with CD's and MP3's - what next? Just perfect your mix in your room and hand over the CD to the club for an hour? Sorry if I sound a bit anoyed but I learned the hard way and worked hard to be a good Dj, and im not afraid to admit it. I dont need to read forums to tell me how to DJ - I made money from learning the hard way and have played to thousands of people a night, so dont assume I am a newb. The more I read in the DJ booth, the more im glad I dont DJ anymore and have moved into producing, thats where the hard work is - not cueing up a CD that already matches the beat or dragging and dropping an MP3 into Traktor. Bring back REAL DJing - long live Carl Cox!!!!!

i wasnt offended. i dont mix by key. i cant key my records because i have 0 musical training. i have keyed some of my recordds based on the key list above. and i have experimented with harmonics and i must admit, for big room, melodic trance, it sounds GREAT when you use harmonics.


when i seaid newb, i didnt really mean newb to DJing, i meant newb to the DJ forums. Harmonics has been a phenomena around here.

and as far as requests go...i still probably wouldnt take a request, unless it was from a friend or I was DJing in a very casual environment. but to drop a track that sounds wrong in the middle of my set, will kill my whole set.

Ok I think we should beg to differ on this one!!

If you wouldnt drop in a tune because it would ruin your set, then you are not really Djing for the crowd, you are doing it for yourself and what the set sounds like rather than how the crowd react - obviously there are certain limits (definately wouldnt entertain a request for Whigfield!)

Different opinions are good though - thats what makes a good debate!

Harmonic mixing has been around before beatmatching. You should know that if you're such a great DJ thats been around for so long. The thing is if you've been mixing that long you probably ARE mixing harmonically and don't even realize it. I don't see what the big deal it anyway, if you can't mix then you can't mix and knowing the key of your tracks isn't going to save you. So I don't know what you're on about learning the "hard way" because there is no easy way to learn how to DJ. You have 5000 tracks and its probably impractical to go back now and organize a database thats sortable by title/artist/genre/key/bpm but some of us are anal about our music collections and like to do that kind of stuff.

[QUOTE]some of us are anal about our music collections and like to do that kind of stuff.

Fair Comment - you have too much time on your hands!!

You mean some of us aren't lazy? It takes about 20 seconds to enter that info into an excel spreadsheet while most tracks are 6+ minutes long. Maybe longer if you can't tell the key of your tracks without a little help.

ouch thread hijacked.

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Originally posted by CosmoKid 1- Many people with a musical background can listen to a tune and determine which key they are in. Some people even use a guitar or keyboard to determine which key their tunes are in. 2- There are only a limited amount of keys your tunes can be in. Look at the sticky at the top of the page to learn more about keys. When you play harmonically (by key), you are not playing an entire set in the same key. You may play a few tunes in a row in the same key, and then switch to another key. Which key you move to is very important. Certain keys work well together and some dont. You need to know whcih do.

+1

alphabetically by arist on the whole.

mixing a whole set in the same key can be somewhat boring so i wouln't advise against organising records like that, although if you can't pick key it may be helpful to find out and write it down on the front if you get stuck and need a tune to mix next that will sound good even if it doesnt flow how you would want it to

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Originally posted by MessiahProject Ok I think we should beg to differ on this one!! If you wouldnt drop in a tune because it would ruin your set, then you are not really Djing for the crowd, you are doing it for yourself and what the set sounds like rather than how the crowd react - obviously there are certain limits (definately wouldnt entertain a request for Whigfield!) Different opinions are good though - thats what makes a good debate!

just gotta say that you and the person you are debating with are the most grown up and mature ppl on here, anyone else would turn it into a big flaming war, im glad to see people agree to differ and actually accept that others have their own thoughts and opinions.

also i dont mix strictly in key, i do just mix any old track some of the time. i kinda know what will go with what anyway cos iv heard so many live sets.

cheers

Thats what I love about this forum. You can't ask a serious question anywhere else without getting stupid answers and flames.

I used to do it all alphabetically, but now I'm wacking it together by genere and in each genre they are organized in key. I don't mix in key 100% of the time (I've only been doing it for a month) but when you do it it does create a pretty cool effect. I just had to laugh at the comment that made harmonic mixing sound like cheating. I'm sorry but you can key all your tunes but if you can't do any of the basics of DJ'ing then you're still screwed.

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Originally posted by eyeball_2003 iv got mine sorted by key at the minute, find it helps for better sounding mixes

^^

Same here.

I also got them in order from softer --> harder beats.

So like my first crate would have songs like whiteroom - someday and my last crate would have songs like aplhazone - flashback.

mainly on label,and then from soft 2 hard

I have all my slower stuff up front as well.

alphabetical
(granted i do only have 73 records)

i only have around 20 record and around 5 i like so its just they sit on top

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