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Schools?

I know in boston they opened up a scratching school. But I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge on producing music school mostly for EDM. Using FL,Cubase,reasons etc etc etc.

There's the Berklee school of music which uses Reason and there's various producing schools in Europe.

check some local community colleges. Theres a school here in colorado that has electronic music production classes.

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Originally posted by dj chex check some local community colleges. Theres a school here in colorado that has electronic music production classes.

Agreed, you should check out technical schools and things like that or if local studios have some sort of tutoring thing.

fuck the schools. why not learn it yourself? nearly all the people in the production forum are entirely self taught, bedroom musicians. and many of them are pretty damn good. im self taught for about 15 months. not doing too badly considering i have no formal music training, nearly failed a-level math and consequently was refused entry to do acoustic engineering at southampton university. all the engineering i do for my tracks is all self taught and learned from people on the net wiling to take the time out to answer questions on forums like this one or gracious enough to write up a tutorial about it.

and besides. take a look at dj sammy. he has formal qualifications and look at the shit he produces...

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Originally posted by Derivative fuck the schools. why not learn it yourself? nearly all the people in the production forum are entirely self taught, bedroom musicians. and many of them are pretty damn good. im self taught for about 15 months. not doing too badly considering i have no formal music training, nearly failed a-level math and consequently was refused entry to do acoustic engineering at southampton university. all the engineering i do for my tracks is all self taught and learned from people on the net wiling to take the time out to answer questions on forums like this one or gracious enough to write up a tutorial about it. and besides. take a look at dj sammy. he has formal qualifications and look at the shit he produces...

You'll also find without formal training you get alot more respect learning to do something (especially if it's something difficult) by yourself than getting tought my brother. Also somewhat easier to explore and discover new things, alot of the time with teachers what they say goes.

Agreed you can self teach your self. But for me its more of a issue of casualness. Example, a person with a club membership to a gym will be more likely to work out more then if he had a home gym.

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Originally posted by bokus Agreed you can self teach your self. But for me its more of a issue of casualness. Example, a person with a club membership to a gym will be more likely to work out more then if he had a home gym.

I see your point brother.

i suppose. but heck i dont do this because i have to. i do it cuz i love it. and if you ask some of the people on the production forum why they do it they'll give similar answers. and i think given time and effort, that will show in the songs we write. and it shows in some of the songs ive heard from the people on this forum. more so than it does on the 101 generic trancers that hit juno every month. and thats the first reason why anyone should write music. i dont think of it like a gym membership. i dont really produce casually either. its a life consuming hobby. if you are in the frame of mind where you are doing it because your tutors are making you do it then theres no feeling in what you write. you'll be doing it because you have to. not because you want to. and you should question why exactly you chose to embark on this road from the start. you are just picking up credits to float along on your course. and thats a shit frame of mind to be in when you are creating something.

the market is already flooded with boring, 'only does enough to get the job done' kind of tunes as it is. it doesnt need anymore half hearted tunes by half arsed producers who cooked up a song because they had to.

i mean i saw this advert for a digital media assistant course and there was this producer who basically did a foundation course in music tech and had access to a load of gear (like a real CS-80) that i would just die to get my hands on. he produced music for this advert and they basically showed what goes on with digital media assistants. only the stuff he wrote was boring, uninspired shit. he was falling back on technical bullshit which he learnt on his course and the result was complex but ultimately a soulless peice of shit for a more than likely equally soulless product.

this is exactly my problem with the likes of mr dj supastar sammy. all that expertise and the half arsed tripe he comes up with at the end of all that?

sorry if this sounds rather fiery - i sometimes get over passionate about stuff like this hope you dont take it the wrong way.

shouldnt this be in the production forum or in the local scene forum?

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Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy shouldnt this be in the production forum or in the local scene forum?

Yeah, it should be

Music theory at least is a important thing to learn. That will give you a much better understanding of music and creating it. So if you go to school for music production, al least take a intro theory class. (it's a pain in the ass to learn but worth it btw)

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Originally posted by Derivative fuck the schools. why not learn it yourself? nearly all the people in the production forum are entirely self taught, bedroom musicians. and many of them are pretty damn good. im self taught for about 15 months. not doing too badly considering i have no formal music training, nearly failed a-level math and consequently was refused entry to do acoustic engineering at southampton university. all the engineering i do for my tracks is all self taught and learned from people on the net wiling to take the time out to answer questions on forums like this one or gracious enough to write up a tutorial about it. and besides. take a look at dj sammy. he has formal qualifications and look at the shit he produces...

You do realize you're contradicting yourself?

While there is some honor in wanting to be self taught and such, if someone has the opportunity to get training in something they like I would personaly always recommend they do so.

You say no to schools yet you think it's different when you get your answers given to you by other people on forums or by reading a tutorial. I think that's almost worst what you are doing cause it does nearly equal having things handed over to you on a platter.

I've worked with various sets of software music, graphic design etc and on some it's taken trully years to master them yet always leaving some details always cause they are annoying to master. If someone has the option of gaining sufficient knowledge through a course compared to years of trial and error .... well it's a no brainer.

But that's just me.
And for your info I've never taken a course either, because I've never really had the opportunity.

you took what i said out of context. theres a difference to learning because you want to learn and learning because you have to learn. those tuts on the net? i looked for them. i wanted to learn what i was doing wrong. all the stuff i did learn, i did it because i wanted to, in my own time, at immense personal, social and professional and financial expense to myself. and over on the production forum theres plenty of others that do this too. and they have my admiration. and i think that if anyone was gonna create something, anything - its really not particularly worthwhile if you arent gonna put 100% into it. it will show in the end product.

of course if you go and learn all that stuff in school because you *want* to do it then thats all good. but the whole casual approach to it - nah i think thats bollocks. the whole 'im doing this because if i didnt have a teacher breathing down my neck, enforcing deadlines, i probably wouldnt be arsed to learn it'. that attitude really is bollocks.

what makes anyone think that if they dont have the drive to go it alone, they will see through a course in this stuff? theres a brick wall learning curve to music production and engineering. and if you arent willing to go all in and say im sticking with this no matter what, i seriously dont think you will get anywhere anytime soon. its not like going to the gym on weekends. i already see enough people buy expensive guitars and keyboards, doddle around for a few months and not get anywhere then pack the whole thing in. and as for formal training? oh you'll benefit from learning from people who more than likely know what they are talking about but what you get out of your course is directly proportional to what you put into it.

the people who invariably learnt everything by themselves obviously stuck it out this far. and if they have achieved this much on their own imperitive they have my respect. the people that go and learn this in school and stuck it out on their own imperitive because they loved what they were learning? they have my respect too. the people who do it cuz they have to? phuck that. alot of people wouldnt take that person, their qualifications or their music seriously if they came from the dj sammy school of cowboy dance music.

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