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Who started first? Psytrance or Trance

I was thinking about these two genres...

Well.. so electronic music started with legend artists (I'm not separeting in genres) like Kraftwerk, Front 242, Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, JMJarre, Atkins, Jam el Mar...

But somebody can explain me the real close influences that started trance(euro) and psytrance"? Who was the first"? Who's older'? Is trance a variant of early techno, but about psytrance'? Too? Where the indian and israeli stuff started'?


Sorry, I'm confused... (ah...sorry by da english... I suck with english grammar.)

Well I get the impression that GOA was heavily influenced by EBM from this quote:

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GOA GIL ...started to find more of the new sound.... groups like Front 242, Cabaret Voltaire, Tackhead, Yello, Portion Control, Chakk, Laser Cowboys,... There were so many good projects!!! There was so much great music!!! Music that reflected the times we were living in perfectly!!! The combination of the tribal drum patterns with the almost alien sounding synths and samples... it was kind of like... Ancient + Future = Now... so we collected as much of that kind of synthesizer-drum machine music as we could, as we went crazy for that sound!!! But in those days we collected even from Hi NRG, future dance, also stuff like Depeche Mode, New Order, etc., anything that had some good synth & drum machine parts, but we would cut out the singing, take the good parts, and put the tracks back together repeating the different instrumental parts in different sequences to make our own instrumental "Goa" mix that would fit for our party concept and what we were trying to say and do with the music...

That would be in the mid 80's I believe. So maybe technically "GOA" trance is much older than its German counterpart. In fact, Raja Ram was making tracks under Infinity Project in 1989, though I must admit I don't really know what it sounded like. These EBM artists had residencies in GOA in the mid-late 80's and early 90's where they really influenced the first GOA/Psychedelic artists, like GOA GIL and his british buddies.




And I credit the direct influence to the creation and foster of "classic" (euro)Trance music in Germany in the early 90's to the techno explosion around '89(or was it '90) in underground German clubs. Some artists like Age Of Love, Resistance D, Dance 2 Trance, Jam & Spoon...just decided to make more melodic techno without all that percussion from the Detroit variety(which is also pretty melodic sometimes) I guess...and it snowballed from there. And not just any kind of melodies...they were all arpeggiated. All. Unlike any other genre. By 1992 even, classic trance was established and being made by a lot of producers.

the chicken or the egg?

Neither did.

Psy and trance branched off from EBM and techno respectively during a rather long process. Ordinary trance can be traced back to "I feel Love" from Donna Summer (1977), for example, and I'm sure psy-trance has also got some tunes just as old (I know EBM was more recent than that, but again, "I feel Love" was considered disco back then).

As for the names (which doesn't mean anything, by the way), trance probably came up first, because, in order to have "psychedelic trance", trance should've been around for a while

I'm answering your other questions after I come back from Brazlandia, Plastic

I always thought psytrance owed more to acid house. It originated in Goa in India at practically the same time as classic trance in Europe- circa 1990. There may have been primordial examples before then, but it was only after then that it became recognisable as a genre.

Muckluck:
Thanks. So psytrance is older... and didnot had the same influences...
humm..

Lira: Ok, Brazl�ndia is a bit away from Lago Sul heh...
:P

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul Muckluck: Thanks. So psytrance is older... and didnot had the same influences... humm..

If you ask me, what we know as GOA and psy today, and Classic "euro" trance emerged at about the same time in the early 90's.

Yeah....unlike techno or house, trance doesn't really have an originator, a name everyone can point at and go "that guy started it all". But if you want a close approximation, I would say:

Genesis P-Orridge.

There was a thread on this on my own site. I'll just cutnpaste what I said there:

The first trance ever is widely regarded to have been Genesis P-Orridge's Psychic TV project in the mid-late 80s.

(errrr...none of you will probably like it, as it doesn't sound anything remotely like what you know trance sounds like today...think of like really really trippy acid house, only with a metronomic 4/4 beat instead of the 1,3 downbeat common in house, very repetitive, and with something like Terrence McKenna or Timothy Leary monologues on top of it. You're supposed to take drugs to it. It's supposed to ENTRANCE you)

EBM was the early progenitor of trance. That's where it's strongest influence lies. But the fascination was fleeting and the rivetheads all but had enough of the stuff by 1990. The last industrial artist to release a trance album was Coil, with "Love's Secret Domain" in 1991. Check the acronm: LSD. It is a trippy album, and pretty much sounds like goa still in the womb.

But the next generation of trance artists had already arrived. They took the music further into the recesses of psychedelia. One of them--Trilithon--released the smash "Trance Dance". 1991 goa. It's on my music guide. Listen to it.

Much of what would eventually evolve into trance today was still called "synthpop" or "hi NRG" back then. Though Dance 2 Trance was a popular and accessible track, I don't think it really legitimized trance's arrival. I think that title belongs to Cafe del Mar (1993).

As for who was the first to actually call it "trance", if you want the truth, that was probably Mark Reeder, and MFS may have been the first actual trance label. (Eye-Q/Harthouse came shortly after). This is somewhere around 1991.

80's Drum Machines and Synths

Isn't Trance and Goa are just a more extreme level of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Jan Hammer(Crockettes Theme) from the 1980's?

lol at the know it all's


If any one knew the scene would have realised the goa/psy scene was out well before the comedy commerical trance came along and still mickey mouse producers release sub-standard material ... to this day soley for the sake of profit

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Originally posted by colin traveller lol at the know it all's If any one knew the scene would have realised the goa/psy scene was out well before the comedy commerical trance came along and still mickey mouse producers release sub-standard material ... to this day soley for the sake of profit

You're missing the point.

Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

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Originally posted by apollo_144 Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

You know what else is shit? No, that's right, you don't. Most likely because of excessive stupidity and close-mindedness.

Psy is not shit.

its going through a rennaisance at the moment and the music that is being created is mind blowing..


Texas Fa.ggot anyone?

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos You know what else is shit? No, that's right, you don't. Most likely because of excessive stupidity and close-mindedness.

Don't even respond to him. He'll get bored eventually.

apollo_144 may be right, but what's his opinion compared to thousands of others'?

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Originally posted by apollo_144 Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

as opposed to paul van dyk? you post this again and again. i think your attidude is shit. your experience with psy trance is probably obtuse as it is, but how close minded can you be to say its all shit. i hope people like you, being as annoying as you are, dont take to long in the future to go extinct.

Uh, so anyway... I think it's been said before but... early trance is very similar to psytrance. Epic trance came later.

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Originally posted by apollo_144 Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

One word that defines modern goatrance, and I mean the stuff from 2002 on... PUMP THAT...... BASSLINE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by apollo_144 Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

thats why Astral Projection smokes alot of stuff done today...and i mean the 1995 to 99 era

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Originally posted by apollo_144 Does it really matter? Psytrance is still shit.

you've just made it to the nr1 spot in my retards of TA book.
congratz

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Originally posted by JakeC Texas Fa.ggot anyone?

and just look at raja ram his 150 yrs old n still going

I dunno what it is but something makes me wanna go to finland and dance in a forest with lots of sexy ladies, whislt a great psy dj is playing

dont forget that pink floyed that some say he is the one who started the psychedelic style.

I heard it from alot of friends that are addicted to psy/goa from the early days :]

there havebeen suggestions that psy started in the mid 70s, with the influx of hippies...


im going to goa 2morrow, so ill see what i can find out..


chemical crew acts are pretty fucking awesome, if u like it darker, cept for skazi anyways.. hes "pop" hahahahhaha

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