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Posted by A83 on Mar-26-2005 16:39:

Sync

Is it better in a sync to have it so the low's cancel eachother out, or have them so you can hear the low's?


Posted by CosmoKid on Mar-26-2005 19:49:

quote:
Originally posted by DJSTER
I did that once and i didnt like the sound of it. What i do always is have the incomming tracks kick, just a little and i mean very very little, ahead of the outgoing track...but not so far that i get the doo-dis-doo-dis sound. Then when i am about to mix, i slowly turn the lows of the outgoing track down and bring in the lows of the incomming. And ofcourse look at the meter.

But yea...i really do not like how it sounds when its way too exact because you dont quite get the punch sound until you have turned your lows, significantly on the outgoing track, down.


are you recommending to mix 2 songs that are not perfectly lined up and matched? you think the bass should stutter between the two tracks?


Posted by Nemesis44 on Mar-26-2005 19:53:

It's not really very good advice, because all you need is just a small nudge and a quick fiddle with the EQs and you sort it.
It's better to learn to deal with it properly and understand what's causing it rather than try to bodge fix it.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by DJSTER on Mar-26-2005 21:24:

I guess i didnt explain it properly let me rephrase and i do mean beatmatched songs. What i meant is that i do not like having the kicks of both song right on top of each other because that just cancels out the kick and looses the punchy feeling. "Nudge" was the word i was looking for in my earlier post.


Posted by DJ Joshua H on Mar-26-2005 22:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DJSTER
I guess i didnt explain it properly let me rephrase and i do mean beatmatched songs. What i meant is that i do not like having the kicks of both song right on top of each other because that just cancels out the kick and looses the punchy feeling. "Nudge" was the word i was looking for in my earlier post.


But the bass-canceling doesn't happen all the time though. Just because 2 tunes are perfectly beatmatched doesn't mean that the bass will drop out.

Its reason for this is kind of technical but it has to do with sound frequencies and physics. Like Nemesis said, all you need to do to fix it is play around with the EQ's

If it happens to you: be happy.....you've beatmatched perfectly!


Posted by Zild on Mar-26-2005 23:39:

People say that the kicks cancel when they're beatmatched spot on but thats not the truth so just give it a little nudge and your kick will come back. If anything having two tracks beatmatched spot on the frequiences will add together and you'll have a louder signal that you have to bring down by cutting the EQs a little.


Posted by Nemesis44 on Mar-27-2005 13:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou
I believe that the kicks cancel each other out if one kicks phase is the inversion of the other kicks, as in they are similier in sound, but say the begining of the kicks sound wave goes up on track A and the begining of track B's kicks go down, they cancel each other out (a negative value plus the exact same positive value = 0).

This dosnt happen on all tracks, it just depends on how they are produced.


If you have the low end canceled on the incoming track this wont be a problem, just you cant do a gradual shift with out it sounding kinda funny, if thats the case just do a quick bass shift instead.


Agreed, basically if the polarities of the kick drums are oposite from each other you will get this.

Nem



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