Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

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Posted by john lewis on Mar-27-2005 12:49:

Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

Posted by Fir3start3r on Mar-27-2005 15:35:

wait...didn't your country chicken out?
(I'm refering to the Italian flag with which you wave).

Nobody said nobody was going to die...

Posted by Trancer-X on Mar-27-2005 19:36:

That shit is horrible.

As it's been said, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

That's what happens when conflicting interests become institutionalized and the profiteers are big business military armaments corporations who lobby heavily within the government.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Mar-27-2005 22:12:

But you see it is all worth it,Saddam is not in power anymore and Iraq is a much safer place to live now.

Posted by Trancer-X on Mar-27-2005 22:24:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
But you see it is all worth it,Saddam is not in power anymore and Iraq is a much safer place to live now.

Don't worry, my government is surely in the process of creating a new monster to replace him. We just have to make sure this next one is fully armed before we unveil him.

I'm curious to know what Turkmenbashi's been up to? However, he's sympathetic and fully cooperative in regards to our oil agenda, so I seriously doubt that he'll be next.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Mar-27-2005 22:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
[color=#33ccff]Don't worry, my government is surely in the process of creating a new monster to replace him. We just have to make sure this next one is fully armed before we unveil him.

well this monster whoever he is gonna be must be against Iran and pro Isreali, in order to get U.S approval.

Posted by phreek on Mar-28-2005 23:33:

We seem to have this history of installing leaders and then later down the road going "oh shit" when we realized we all we did was trade one dictator for another, or finance the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. Even if Iraq did have any WMDs, WE PAID FOR THEM!!!

Posted by Trancer-X on Mar-28-2005 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by phreek
Even if Iraq did have any WMDs, WE PAID FOR THEM!!!

http://www.prop1.org/legal/prisons/92wack.htm

Posted by Goashem on Mar-28-2005 23:38:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
well this monster whoever he is gonna be must be against Iran and pro Isreali, in order to get U.S approval.

and that is such a bad thing ?
aaaah wait i forgot you were the one who laughed at innocent people being blown up in a bus, right almost slipped my mind.

Posted by Yoepus on Mar-29-2005 00:38:

Nope sorry, haven't seen any of this shit. Schaibo is 24/7 on TV now, ohhh ohh I better go watch MSNBC, I think some Lawyer's aide is holding a press conference!!!

Posted by Trancer-X on Mar-29-2005 02:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Nope sorry, haven't seen any of this shit. Schaibo is 24/7 on TV now, ohhh ohh I better go watch MSNBC, I think some Lawyer's aide is holding a press conference!!!

http://www.outfoxed.org/clips_bob_mcchesney_wm.php

Posted by sensorium on Mar-29-2005 02:45:

Agreed. Horrible images.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Mar-29-2005 03:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Goashem
and that is such a bad thing ?
aaaah wait i forgot you were the one who laughed at innocent people being blown up in a bus, right almost slipped my mind.

Posted by Lira on Mar-29-2005 03:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Nobody said nobody was going to die...

Bush did, before the invasion, didn't he?

Posted by Shakka on Mar-29-2005 13:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Bush did, before the invasion, didn't he?

No. That's ludicrous.

Posted by Dervish on Mar-29-2005 18:49:

Re: Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

quote:
Originally posted by john lewis
I have seen these pictures in a site and liked to showthem to YOU !!

You are sick prick, fair enough you can take the piss out of Bush and the government about the desions they make/made but taking the piss out of (or using for argument) soliders who have only obeyed orders and acted for what they belive in seriously does not sit well with me.

Death or having your life fucked up for something you belive in or have to do is not open to ridicule.

http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehos....jpg/?id=201820 if I was a mod here I ban you for that

Bear in mind I do critise actions and tactics but to personalise critisim in such a manner is sick.

You make no points, no argument just enjoy other people being in pain because they are american.

Also bear in mind I know someone who was with Italian troops when their base was attacked in Iraq and they all acted professionaly as soliders and were also nice guys.

I am not disagreeing with you because you are Italian. But would you be so ready to post thouse pictures if they had your countrymen in them? I suspect no? Thouse troops with limbs missing and their faces fucked were probebly nice guys and I really find it offensive for you to write(via posting) "Your Next" beside pictures of dead people.

Ideally nobody of any nation would "Next" you slackminded twat.

I say you sould be banned.

Posted by Michael19 on Mar-29-2005 19:31:

Re: Re: Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
You are sick prick, fair enough you can take the piss out of Bush and the government about the desions they make/made but taking the piss out of (or using for argument) soliders who have only obeyed orders and acted for what they belive in seriously does not sit well with me.

Death or having your life fucked up for something you belive in or have to do is not open to ridicule.

http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehos....jpg/?id=201820 if I was a mod here I ban you for that

Bear in mind I do critise actions and tactics but to personalise critisim in such a manner is sick.

You make no points, no argument just enjoy other people being in pain because they are american.

Also bear in mind I know someone who was with Italian troops when their base was attacked in Iraq and they all acted professionaly as soliders and were also nice guys.

I am not disagreeing with you because you are Italian. But would you be so ready to post thouse pictures if they had your countrymen in them? I suspect no? Thouse troops with limbs missing and their faces fucked were probebly nice guys and I really find it offensive for you to write(via posting) "Your Next" beside pictures of dead people.

Ideally nobody of any nation would "Next" you slackminded twat.

I say you sould be banned.

which part of

quote:
I have seen these pictures in a site and liked to showthem to YOU !!

did you not understand? he doesnt said he made them himself. No way he should be banned.

the "Your next" part has iraqi resistence underneath it, which i presume is meaning thats what they are saying, and not the thread starter.

Pleas pin point where the "enjoyment" he is getting out of it?

also, that obeying orders line is a load of bollox aswell.

Posted by Dervish on Mar-29-2005 20:10:

Re: Re: Re: Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

quote:
Originally posted by Michael19
which part of

did you not understand? he doesnt said he made them himself. No way he should be banned.

the "Your next" part has iraqi resistence underneath it, which i presume is meaning thats what they are saying, and not the thread starter.

Pleas pin point where the "enjoyment" he is getting out of it?

also, that obeying orders line is a load of bollox aswell.

Note I said "via posting".

To explain as he is posting these pictures and saying how he'd "like to show them to us" these must represent his views as all of them have lovely captions with them..... as oposed to simply picture. They are not only pictures they are statements. Some with practicly nothing but a baseless, bullshit statement. So they do not show us anything about the situation in Iraq they just have the views of the resistance movement. Which he is duplicating here.

http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehosting/showimg.jpg/?id=180336

I find this and pretty much all of thouse pictures unbelivably offensive. Calling people who have lost limbs stupid is offensive in my book......

And whats this pish about obaying orders? You really think these guys like being there? Think they enjoy killing people??? (perhaps in very very very few cases, but lets not genralise here) Then what are they doing?...... obaying orders..... why else?

Posted by occrider on Mar-30-2005 07:30:

I'm with Dervish on this one. Posting pictures to demonstrate the horrors of war is one thing. Posting propoganda pics that mock the dead/wounded to make a political point are another thing altogether. Do you think that posting pics of dead insurgents with captions like "don't fuck with the USA" should be tolerated?

Posted by shaolin_Z on Mar-30-2005 08:05:

Re: Re: Do You see how Bad the situation in Iraq?

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
You make no points, no argument just enjoy other people being in pain because they are american.

yes, you're right in the sense that those are pretty disturbing and disgusting images. but I think that was his argument. showing the human cost and distructiveness of war. i believe that if most people had witnessed such things with their own eyes or even seen such things in the media, there is no way any civilized society would support this war, or any war for that matter. people don't want to go to war unless they have to. and there was no reason to go to war in this case. so i think you're being rather unfair when you say that this guy posted these images or started this threat because he hates america/likes to see them in pleasure (or sometihng to that effect).

Posted by zig on Mar-30-2005 09:00:

I skipped over this thread when it was posted......i didnt want to get into more America bashing...ehh...i know how bad things are in Iraq.

There is definatly something wrong with this thread and the images posted here....its blatent propaganda.....

I you look at the profile of the person who posted the thread......a total of 1 post...and this is it....i think that says it all....so he posts the thread and fucks off.....to do it elsewhere...

I think the images should be deleted.....as we dont know what the posters agenda is...but it seems to me to be propaganda....and as Occ said...there would be an outcry from all on this board if the reverse were to happen...and the person would probably be banned....

Posted by Michael19 on Mar-30-2005 18:55:

quote:
I find this and pretty much all of thouse pictures unbelivably offensive. Calling people who have lost limbs stupid is offensive in my book......

why is it offensive? Maybe its true though? Personnally i think, if you join the army, go to war and lsoe a limb your stupid.

quote:
And whats this pish about obaying orders? You really think these guys like being there? Think they enjoy killing people??? (perhaps in very very very few cases, but lets not genralise here) Then what are they doing?...... obaying orders..... why else?

If they didnt like being there, or the idea of war why the fuck did they join an army?!! I never said they enjoyed killing people.

The german officers who gassed the jews where "just obeying orders", does that make there actions okay? And should they of not been blamed then?

quote:
I'm with Dervish on this one. Posting pictures to demonstrate the horrors of war is one thing. Posting propoganda pics that mock the dead/wounded to make a political point are another thing altogether. Do you think that posting pics of dead insurgents with captions like "don't fuck with the USA" should be tolerated?

what about something like this?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...line=1077437040

do you think thats should be allowed?

Posted by Dervish on Mar-30-2005 19:07:

Firstly I agree with you on the last part, someone has that as their avatar. And I think it should be removed. Especially since the balance of probability is that they were actually innocent as I argued about alot in a large thread way back.

As for finding the pictures offensive, I supose it's a subjective thing. But I just do. I could explain if you want but I suspect you'll have a rough idea why I find them offensive?

And well done on bringing up the old "germans gassing jews" arguement for obaying orders, why yes it is totally relavant.....

....I'm sure the americans are systematicly trying to exterminate the entire race of???? eh??? Iraqis????

So they shouldn't be following these totally unresonable orders as part of the Iraqi "final solution"?

Posted by occrider on Mar-30-2005 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Michael19

what about something like this?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...line=1077437040

do you think thats should be allowed?

Well it's so small I can't even tell what's happening in it. It looks tasteless though. My viewpoint is that nothing should be prohibited on its own. If people want to post pictures of war to show how horrible it is than I'm all for it. I'm merely arguing that if you do so, do it in a tasteful manner without the dumb commentary slapped onto the picture to make a political point. Otherwise you make it open season for yahoos on the other side of the political gambit to post pictures of people dying gruesome deaths with their retarded commentary that celebrates or mocks that death as well. Things would get out of control pretty quickly.

Posted by Michael19 on Mar-30-2005 20:18:

its not like that pictures sai

"haha, you american just got killed"

or even.

"pwned" which suggests, getting a certain amusement out of it.

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