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Posted by igottaknow on Mar-30-2005 14:36:

Pope on feeding tube

god must have a sense of humor.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...p_on_re_eu/pope

I say keep'em alive in a vegative state for long as possible

Posted by St_Andrew on Mar-30-2005 15:38:

I hope he dies soon so all the media can stfu about him. I DONT CARE IF HE HAS A FEEDING TUBE OR NOT...

Posted by Renegade on Mar-30-2005 15:43:

He should step down. It must be getting pretty embarrassing for the Vatican to have him perpetually unable to fulfill his duties and I'm not sure that prolonging his life by 3 years by attaching him to a feeding tube is going to do their cause any favours.

Posted by St_Andrew on Mar-30-2005 15:51:

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Originally posted by Renegade
He should step down. It must be getting pretty embarrassing for the Vatican to have him perpetually unable to fulfill his duties and I'm not sure that prolonging his life by 3 years by attaching him to a feeding tube is going to do their cause any favours.

isnt the pope suppose to be pope till he dies tho?

Posted by Renegade on Mar-30-2005 16:56:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
isnt the pope suppose to be pope till he dies tho?

He has the option to step down, although it hasn't happened since the 13th century I think I read. In any case, is there any sense in him persevering in this way? Even Melbourne's arch-bishop George Pell said that he should probably step down if he becomes incapacitated - surely common sense dictates that a man incapable of doing his job (and let's face it, he's been this way for years) would step aside to allow someone more capable to take over?

Posted by trancaholic on Mar-30-2005 17:11:

^^^^ Agree. But are you sure that someone who's been Pope for so long, and is in a condition such as his, posses "common sense"?

Posted by Renegade on Mar-30-2005 17:17:

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Originally posted by trancaholic
^^^^ Agree. But are you sure that someone who's been Pope for so long, and is in a condition such as his, posses "common sense"?

Well that's an interesting point isn't it: if he's incapable of executing "common sense" (that is, he is incapacitated and not capable - at least in a legal sense - of making the decisions of a rational human being) does he retain the title of pope even though he may well live in this condition for several more years, or can someone else make the decision for him?

As it stands, incidentally, I'm quite sure that none of the speeches or edicts he's struggled to make over the past few years have been his own and - if I were a Catholic - I'd be questioning just who exactly is in charge at the moment...

Posted by George Smiley on Mar-30-2005 17:18:

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Originally posted by trancaholic
^^^^ Agree. But are you sure that someone who's been Pope for so long, and is in a condition such as his, posses "common sense"?

I dont think it is possible to take on the role of Pope and come out with the crap Pope's do if you do have common sense in the first place!!

Posted by trancaholic on Mar-30-2005 18:18:

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Originally posted by Renegade
Well that's an interesting point isn't it: if he's incapable of executing "common sense" (that is, he is incapacitated and not capable - at least in a legal sense - of making the decisions of a rational human being) does he retain the title of pope even though he may well live in this condition for several more years, or can someone else make the decision for him?

As it stands, incidentally, I'm quite sure that none of the speeches or edicts he's struggled to make over the past few years have been his own and - if I were a Catholic - I'd be questioning just who exactly is in charge at the moment...

The terrible dilemma facing deeply religious Catholics must be that the Pope is instated by God as his representative on Earth, so if they disagree with his choice to stay on board, they are theoretically questioning the will of God. I mean, there's no such thing as democratic safety measures in the Catholic Church, so the only way of getting rid of a stubborn Pope would be a coup - which corresponds to pitting yourself against God. At least that's how things look from where I'm sitting.

Thank God, I'm not adhering to any organized religion.

Posted by Michael19 on Mar-30-2005 18:26:

Re: Pope on feeding tube

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
god must have a sense of humor.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...p_on_re_eu/pope

I say keep'em alive in a vegative state for long as possible

hes not in a vegative state

Posted by igottaknow on Mar-30-2005 18:55:

Re: Re: Pope on feeding tube

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Originally posted by Michael19
hes not in a vegative state

not yet

If you think it was difficult removing Shiavo's feeding tube, what chance do you think you would have with the pope? It would be interesting if they kept him going in a vegitative state and he retained his title because he still "alive".

Posted by Michael19 on Mar-30-2005 19:03:

what is the position of the Catholic church on people in a vegative state though?

i know how the American christain nuts feel. But i aint sure of the catholic churches position.

anyone know?

Posted by Dervish on Mar-30-2005 19:19:

So if he's the voice of god on earth, does that mean that gods in the huff and doesn't feel like speaking?

I say give him a nice trepanning and he's be right as rain.

seriously hope there is no god otherwise I'm fucked now

Posted by igottaknow on Mar-30-2005 19:34:

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Originally posted by Michael19
what is the position of the Catholic church on people in a vegative state though?

i know how the American christain nuts feel. But i aint sure of the catholic churches position.

anyone know?

Since both suicide and murder are both against RC teaching then removing the tube wouldn�t be an option.

I think keeping someone alive by unnatural means in a vegetative state isn�t right. I�m all for individual rights with the freedom to choose when to die. If an individual wants to be kept alive or put to sleep it should be their decision and no one else�s.

Posted by Reversed on Mar-30-2005 20:10:

And in a surprise announcement, Michael Shiavo says the Pope once told him that he wouldn't want to live that way

Posted by zig on Mar-30-2005 20:49:

Its a very interesting dilemma for the church....There are two chances the tube will be pulled....none and f***all...

With the whole question of assisted suicides high on the agenda and especially the Shiavo case in the states....a very interesting dilemma indeed...and the most interesting thing will be how they deal with this situation right on their doorstep as it were....

But i bet there is some ancient canon law somewhere that will be pulled out of the bag(bet the scholars are looking allready)that will cover all eventualities if he falls into a vegative state....he will be replaced i would imagine.....but interesting.......

Posted by St_Andrew on Mar-30-2005 21:38:

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Originally posted by Dervish
seriously hope there is no god otherwise I'm fucked now

Well you know, god is all forgiving, so live your life as you want to and tell him you are sorry the day you are dying

Posted by igottaknow on Mar-30-2005 21:54:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew

Well you know, god is all forgiving, so live your life as you want to and tell him you are sorry the day you are dying

even though im agnostic, i'll still do a little prayer b4 i die just to cover my bases

Posted by St_Andrew on Mar-30-2005 22:05:

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Originally posted by igottaknow
even though im agnostic, i'll still do a little prayer b4 i die just to cover my bases

Thats my plan too, just in case... haha

Posted by narcism on Mar-31-2005 12:46:

did anyone hear him try and speak, he sounds more and more like the devil everyday