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Pope Has Just Died
I ain't goin out like that biatches 
What if he did die today?
Boy this thread would blow up in your face 
It looks like he might die soon. 
Might as well post a better picture of him.
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| Originally posted by tribu What if he did die today? Boy this thread would blow up in your face |
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| Originally posted by igottaknow let's hope the pope doesn't make a foo out of me |
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| Originally posted by ierxium Satan is saving a spot for you. |
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| Originally posted by igottaknow what do mean I own the place because I am Satan |
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| Originally posted by ierxium Please, even as an imitator you're mediocre. |
Right.
anybody see the front page of the NYT today?
his picture (lower right) fucking cracked me up.
(sorry bout the size..)
lamo 
That was totally in bad taste, which proves what an idiot you are
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| Originally posted by stren which proves what and idiot you are |
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| Originally posted by Yan ninja'd Just messing with ya. |
Vatican: Pope Has Suffered Heart Failure
VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II suffered heart failure during treatment for a urinary tract infection and was in "very serious" condition on Friday, the Vatican said.
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said in a statement that the pope, who was being treated at the Vatican, was given cardio-respiratory assistance after his heart failed Thursday afternoon.
"This morning the condition of the Holy Father is very serious," the statement said.
However, it said that the pope had participated in a 6 a.m. Mass Friday and was "conscious, lucid, and serene."
The 84-year-old pontiff's health declined sharply after he developed a high fever Thursday brought on by the infection. He wished to remain at the Vatican, Navarro-Valls said.
The statement confirmed previous reports that the pope had received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening.
St. Peter's Square was quiet Friday morning with a few tourists and pilgrims stopping to look up at the pontiff's third floor window. As always Swiss guards in the colorful uniforms stood by at the open bronze door, which by tradition is closed upon the death of a pontiff.
Earlier hundreds of people had gathered, concerned about the fragile pope. A few knelt on the cobblestones to pray, others wrapped blankets around themselves as they kept vigil through the night.
"There's nothing we can do but pray. We're all upset," said Agriculture Minister Giovanni Alemanno, who was in the crowd.
Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed, however, not only for patients at the point of death, but also for those who are very sick � and it may be repeated.
The Rome daily La Repubblica reported Friday that the sacrament was administered by John Paul's closest aide, Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who serves as his private secretary. Dziwisz had given the pontiff the same sacrament on Feb. 24 just before the pope underwent a tracheotomy to insert a tube in his throat at Gemelli Polyclinic, the newspaper said.
According to its account, John Paul had attended Mass Thursday morning in his private chapel, then did paperwork from an armchair. Abruptly, at 6:45 p.m., John Paul turned ghostly pale and his blood pressure plummeted, the newspaper said.
Navarro-Valls told The Associated Press by telephone that "the Holy Father today was struck by a high fever caused by a confirmed infection of the urinary tract."
The pontiff was started on "an appropriate" course of antibiotics, Navarro-Valls said. Vatican radio later described the pope as stable and responding to the antibiotics.
The Vatican medical staff appeared confident it could handle the crisis with the sophisticated medical equipment installed for the pontiff.
After his heart failed, the pope was provided with "all the appropriate therapeutic provisions and cardio-respiratory assistance," Friday's statement said.
It said that the pope was being helped by his personal doctor, two intensive care doctors, a cardiologist, an ear, nose and throat specialist, and two nurses.
A heart failure occurs when the heart no longer has the strength to pump blood through the body, and is a sign that the body's cardiac system is failing.
Dr Paolo Nardini, a Rome physician who is not part of the pope's team, said "a heart attack, which is very serious, affects only the heart, while heart failure signals a breakdown of the entire system, basically uncurable."
Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises and with a tube placed in his throat to help him breathe, John Paul has become a picture of suffering.
When he appeared at his apartment window Wednesday to bless pilgrims in St. Peter's Square, he managed to utter only a rasp.
Later that day, the Vatican announced he had been fitted with a feeding tube in his nose to help boost his nutritional intake.
John Paul's 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.
It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions.
A urinary infection can produce fever and a drop in blood pressure as reported in the pope, said Dr. Marc Siegel, a specialist in internal medicine at the New York University Medical Center.
The pope's risk of such an infection is heightened because of his age � which suggests his prostate is probably enlarged � debilitated and run down from the illness that recently sent him to the hospital, Siegel said.
Urinary infections tend to respond well to antibiotics, and "I would suspect there's a very good chance he's going to recover well," Siegel said.
Other physicians offered far more guarded assessments, given the pope's overall condition.
"His body has come to a standstill," said Dr. Zab Mosenifar, who treats elderly patients at the intensive care unit at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "Usually, these people go in a downhill course."
Mosenifar noted that the body's organs are interdependent on one another and if one system fails, it could cause a "cascade effect" of other systems shutting down.
Dr. Benjamin Ansell, an internist at UCLA School of Medicine, said a healthy person may recover from a high fever with no problem, but it could be devastating for those with neurological disorders such as Parkinson's disease, which the pope has suffered for at least a decade. Some Parkinson's patients who develop a fever may turn catatonic, Ansell said.
"It's not a very promising situation," Ansell said.
The use of the feeding tube illustrates a key point of Roman Catholic policy John Paul has proclaimed: It is morally necessary to give patients food and water, no matter their condition.
As Parkinson's disease and other ailments have left him increasingly frail, the pope has been emphasizing that the chronically ill, "prisoners of their condition ... retain their human dignity in all its fullness."
The Vatican's attitude to the chronically ill has been apparent in its bitter condemnation of a judge's order two weeks ago to remove a feeding tube from Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged American woman who died Thursday.
Vatican Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, reacting to Schiavo's death, denounced the removal of her feeding tube as "an attack against God."
Although different, some see parallels in the two cases.
Under John Paul, Vatican teaching on the final stages of life includes a firm rejection of euthanasia, insistence on treatments that help people bear ailments with dignity and encouragement of research to enhance and prolong life.
A 1980 Vatican document makes the distinction between "proportionate" and "disproportionate" means of prolonging life. While it gives room for refusal of some forms of aggressive medical intervention for terminally ill patients, it insists that "normal care" must not be interrupted.
John Paul set down exactly what that meant in a speech last year to an international conference on treatments for patients in a so-called persistent vegetative state.
"I should like particularly to underline how the administration of water and food, even when provided by artificial means, always represents a natural means of preserving life, not a medical act. Its use, furthermore, should be considered, in principle, ordinary and proportionate, and as such morally obligatory."
to sum all that up, he's a goner.
If I was pope, Id give myself last rites.
I mean seriously, who is qualified to give the pontif his final sendoff?
It's the age old bullshit thing, they won't bestow another until he's dead, meaning he's forced to do things any dying man should not have to, losing dignity all the time. It's sad but it's also a tad unfair on the poor old bugger
Hey, u know what.. maybe the vatican has a sick sense of humour?
Telling the whole world hes gonna die in a few hours and then POOF...the next day he'll be up and about all over italy doing cartwheels!
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| Originally posted by teegee anybody see the front page of the NYT today? his picture (lower right) fucking cracked me up. (sorry bout the size..) |
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| Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ i must need glasses. Does that say: 'The pope is being fed with a tube'?! he must be pretty fucked up not to be able to chew his own food & swallow! Chewing & swallowing arent the hardest things to do...blah! |
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| Originally posted by igottaknow |
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| Originally posted by Ian^ It's the age old bullshit thing, they won't bestow another until he's dead, meaning he's forced to do things any dying man should not have to, losing dignity all the time. It's sad but it's also a tad unfair on the poor old bugger |
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| Originally posted by tribu What if he did die today? Boy this thread would blow up in your face |
not to be sacreligious, but he probably will be gone within the week
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| Originally posted by Eric Siefer not to be sacreligious, but he probably will be gone within the week |
and according to CNN...the Italian media has reported that Pope John Paul II has died
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