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Posted by MegaMan on Apr-02-2005 13:15:

Russian Rockets

Hi, Russian technology is ahead of everyone�s, new rockets had been made called "Sunburn", flying 2.1 times faster than the sound, cannot be detected by US newest systems Aegis (radar) and related to this system Phalanx, which is able to shoot 5000 times per minute, if it sees anything on the radar.

Sunburn's new technology equipped with super computer on board, allows it to carry up to 1 ton of nuclear load, and unlike previous rockets that fly into space first and then from space to the target, Sunburn goes perpendicular to land shaft and cannot be detected nor being defeated. In other words, Russia can erase any country in the world including US. It cannot be stopped nor being defended against.


Posted by Dervish on Apr-02-2005 14:38:

Whats the source on that cos the sunburn is an antiship wepon (not nuclear, not long range) normally (best there is actually).


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-02-2005 14:43:

my bad
i meant it functions as sunburn, the actual name is m3-83 or something not sure, and they call it "mosquito"

2.1 faster than the speed of sound and is able to suddenly change directions, so lets say it travels north, its able to turn 360 degrees and go back within the area of a 100 meters

also what makes it so deadly is that like i said, it flyes like sunburn, which is close to the ground and is able to go around objects such as mountants or buildings


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-02-2005 14:45:

the info is top secret, so no actual info or pictures havent been released yet, but Putin already made statement about it and there is no reason to disbelieve him


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-02-2005 14:49:

source wont do any good for ya unless you can read Russian


Posted by Dervish on Apr-02-2005 16:26:

Nope though I once faked it (speaking) to a member of K-Klass who'd just been performing in Moscow. He was well impressed (atleast in my drunken arsehole head he was).


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Apr-02-2005 21:00:

Are you perhaps thinking of the Holod missile? Yes, it's much faster than sound and able to penetrate American missile defence. But missile defence was originally planed against countries with very few nuclear missiles, a full scale attack from a country with 100+ missiles could not be deflected anyway.


Posted by Kapedano on Apr-02-2005 21:25:

fuck the russians, USA BABY!


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-02-2005 22:59:

"fuck the russians, USA BABY!"

fool, usa are sitting ducks right now


Posted by trance85 on Apr-02-2005 23:04:

Could you guys give sources though? ...Just so there's something official to read rather than "Ha, this missile can destroy the US!"


Posted by NeoPhono on Apr-02-2005 23:06:

I like this guy...

He's like an evil arch-villan. Even has the accent/poor grammar.


Posted by Dervish on Apr-02-2005 23:11:

lol I love how people write of the russians all the time, even though half their stuff is better than ours (us+uk+eu). When we got our hands on a few mig 29s when they left germany we got a shock, IR tracking, off helmet sight targeting and just basicly better planes.

They had a fleet the size of [the us + uk(disportionally large and advanced) + possibly france I think but atleast the others]...... plus half that again. (not any more obviously but still huge)

Only thing we have thats better in the air is ehhhh missiles... probebly. US has stealth(ish), actually not 100% stealth stuff too.

Who's the only people putting men in space right now (not including chinas adventures)?

Who has the most nukes (that right russia)?


Posted by shaolin_Z on Apr-02-2005 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by gouuryella
fuck the russians, USA BABY!



stupid hick.


Posted by occrider on Apr-03-2005 02:02:

This isn't really anything new. It's an aircraft borne anti-ship missile created in the 80's:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...lient=firefox-a

Now if it has indeed been converted to a supersonic cruise missile, it has several limitations. First of all, a speed of mach 2.2 is extremely slow for a nuclear deliverable. Think about it, it would take several hours for a warhead to impact targets from the time of launch ... unless you're launching the warhead significantly close to the target. Contrast this with ICBMs which MIRV than impact in 15-30 minutes from the time of launching. Second, cruise missiles do not have the range of ICBMs. The reason why ICBMs have the range that they do is because they use all their fuel to get to space at speeds greater than mach 10, and then continue building that speed with their reentry into the earth's atmosphere.

Unless this missile is so huge (which would mean that it would be detected by radar) that it has the fuel capacity to support the range to cross the globe, it would have to be launched by submarine or aircraft. If it's submarine launched, satellites can detect the launch plumes so it wouldn't come as any surprise (also the soviet submarine program is probably crap now ... what do they have, maybe a few decent akulas left? Any typhoons? All of them are probably easily tracked by 688s and Seawolfs). If it's launched by aircraft (backfires?), the aircraft would have to get somewhat close to the US and thus be detected long before it gets to its launching point.

Yes Russia can easily destroy the US ... they can simply launch its 8600 operational nukes and no missile sheild in the world will have the capacity to defend against so many warheads. Of course, then the US will launch its 8000 operational nukes much to the chagrin of Russia.


Posted by Kapedano on Apr-03-2005 02:11:

you guys are crazy, everyone thinks russians are so big and ohhh russia can destroy america, listen guys. u guys remember the time of star wars when america basicly destroyed russia, russia is poor, the economy sucks, even tho thier goverment is stable, i still think they can no do shit. americas millitary is number 1 in the world and there is no dout about it. its the truth


Posted by occrider on Apr-03-2005 02:22:

Ummm ok ... back on topic, Russia did indeed develop highly advanced rockets that were revolutionary in design in the 60's/70's. They used closed cycle engines that were far more efficient than the open cycle engines used at the time (you can google it for details). Unfortunately the Soviets had some setbacks in the program and the engine design was abandoned. Eventually, 30 years later, the old Soviet nk-33 engines in storage were rediscovered by US scientists who couldn't believe how advanced the design was. Anyway, long story short, a modified version of those closed cycle engines are currently in use in the latest US heavy lifting rockets, the Atlas Vs.

http://www.channel4.com/science/mic...cosmodrome.html


Posted by Dervish on Apr-03-2005 02:30:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider what do they have, maybe a few decent akulas left? Any typhoons? All of them are probably easily tracked by 688s and Seawolfs).


They have a few akulas, one typhoon (type 945 is it?) left but it's just in trials and stuf I think and genrally not operational.

And only one aircraft carrier (fucked too I belive).

Yep the navy be fucked. But what I will say is in design the Typhoons are mental.

As an aside,
The UK's newest (not made yet) sub:
http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00174001

quote:
The reliable and proven PWR2 pressurized water nuclear reactor, equipped with Core H, will be provided to Astute-class submarines. Core H will fuel the reactor for the submarine's full service life, ending the need for costly reactor refueling. Vanguard-class submarines are currently powered by the PWR2 reactor


They are testing that at my work (were I worked over the summer and I'll be back to after finnishing).

EDIT:
While I was there the head of US submarines of some fleet or something (one away from the joint chiefs apparently) was there, bear in mind only about 200 people work there.

I actually helped make the plaque (not my usual job, plaque making btw lol) for a gift he got from us.

EDIT2: Dumbass spelling.


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-03-2005 05:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
EDIT:
While I was there the head of US submarines of some fleet or something (one away from the joint chiefs apparently) was there, bear in mind only about 200 people work there.

I actually helped make the plague (not my usual job, plague making btw lol) for a gift he got from us.


Do you mean plague or plaque? Because if you mean plague, well thats not a very nice gift


Posted by Dupz on Apr-03-2005 06:13:

quote:
Originally posted by gouuryella
fuck the russians, USA BABY!


We're working on a "Pre-teens" sub-forum for you, my young friend. It'll be up soon, and then you wont have to bother people with your underdeveloped teeny bopper reasoning..


Posted by Dupz on Apr-03-2005 06:17:

To address the topic now... I find it strange that development of such weaponry is still needed. The Cold War is over, and is there really any need to be spending money on systems that are probably never going to be used anyway? I'm sure that Russia needs that money to be spent on more productive things, other than on wasteful military pursuits.

Edit:
lol, and lets not let this get onto the topic of US military spending


Posted by biznology on Apr-03-2005 12:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
To address the topic now... I find it strange that development of such weaponry is still needed. The Cold War is over, and is there really any need to be spending money on systems that are probably never going to be used anyway? I'm sure that Russia needs that money to be spent on more productive things, other than on wasteful military pursuits.

Edit:
lol, and lets not let this get onto the topic of US military spending


well and if Putin is on about something military he may be compensating for something else that isnt going quite right...ie most of Russias *real* problems.

plus would you think the US would let Bush name drop our most 'advanced' weapons systems? hardly...

Russia is quite intent on maintaining a semblance of power, but without the mystique of Communism they cant achieve much. even at the 'height' of Soviet power, Finland defeated the Northern Soviet armies to maintain some measure of independence. and where are most of those troops, equipment and factories?

in the Ukraine and Baltic States, not Russia proper|


Posted by Dervish on Apr-03-2005 14:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Do you mean plague or plaque? Because if you mean plague, well thats not a very nice gift


lol opps yup, 3am typing there


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-03-2005 15:07:

again, some people missunderstood what i said.
The way US can detect who launched missles at the is to see where they are coming from, the way to do that is to see on the radar where the rocket is coming from, and again they'll able to see the normal rockets.

These types, are traveling "CLOSE TO THE GROUND" just like sunburn, there for "CANNOT" be detected by ANY radar that US has so far.
There for, one rocket is enough to destroy a nation, ummm lets say not US but Iraq instead. and they wont attack back cuz they wont know who attacked them in the first place


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-03-2005 15:10:

what makes is so advanced, is again, it ravels close to the ground (cannot be detected) and can go around objects, a ship, building, mountant w/e, and does not require any control over it, as it has super computer on board with ability to do, and trust me its more than 2400 operations per seconds, its not like its 2.4 ghz at all.
super computers these days can do trillions operations per second
and cost around a lemon dollars


Posted by MegaMan on Apr-03-2005 17:35:

ability to freaking scan the landshaft and turn into squares and laout of the rocky textures, it looks just like Terminator movie, when arny scans the leather pants at the bar...

2.2 is not that fast, i agree, but its fuel efficiency we're talking about here, and besides, this is what i dont know for sure about, but i've heard that 5 years ago, they developed a gas compression jet engines, so now its the gas we're talking about, not liquid


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