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The Election Thread!

Most of you lot probably don't care, but myself I'm very excited.

I am! It is very important

Go conservatives!

I've got my views on politics, but I know very little about the subject. To me, all politicians seem to do is argue against whatever point has been put forward simply because they think there's a large majority of people out there who will agree with them, not because they actually think that it's the best course of action for the country.

Which is why I'm gonna run for Prime Minister when I'm about 40. I can sort this place out good and proper if I was given the chance. Politicians are so scared of being hated by the public for saying the wrong thing, or being politically incorrect, but I wouldn't give a flying monkey's brass ones to be honest. If it needed doing to sort the country out, it's gonna get done.

I'll probably be voting for Labour, but I haven't really read anything that any party has said in detail yet.

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Originally posted by dj_mdma Go conservatives!

Why is it that southern English folk are the only people who seem to give a toss about the Tories?

is voting in this country compulsory?

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Originally posted by Jubas is voting in this country compulsory?

nope

personally i think if its a good turn out then labour will win, poor turn out tories have more of a chance but i still cant see it happening as things are atm.

Labour are the best of a bad bunch imo. The tories and the lib dems are both useless, whereas labour are in there now and although some things could be improved the country certainly hasnt fallen apart with them in charge and im quite happy to keep it that way.

i feel that whoever gets voted in wont keep to their promises.

blair says that he wants to reward those who work hard and are honest, law abiding citizens, but all i hear everyday is 'mr & mrs chavpikeyillegalimmigrant from brentford with 62 kids get paid 40k a year in taxpayers money for doing fuck all' and 'man gets abducted by 5 armed thugs', doesn't exactly inspire confidence in labour does it.

Excuse me for being selfish here, but i want to vote for someone where I am going to see some benefits, like taking mr & Mrs chavpikeyillegalimmigrant's 40k benefits away and repairing some roads with the extra cash, or putting some extra police on the streets, or maybe even lower petrol prices, or give me a tax break so i don't have to count the pennies and use my credit card every month.

As it stands right now, i think i'm gonna go with conservative, they seem to have the right approach to immigration, crime and benefits. I also think that someone else desrves a chance

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Originally posted by Streakfury Politicians are so scared of being hated by the public for saying the wrong thing, or being politically incorrect, but I wouldn't give a flying monkey's brass ones to be honest. If it needed doing to sort the country out, it's gonna get done.

So you'd pull a Blair then?

i love elections nights, always stay up late watching the results. Sunderland South always gets its results first.



probably gonna vote tory, dont necceasirly want them in power, ideally i want to see Labour win and only have a small majority.

(Labour can not win where I am)

But Labour and the Tories are basicly the same thing these days, apart from the Tories want to part pay rich peoples private health care (growth in private health care = lost doctors from the NHS...).

Plus Labour have a proven record.

Personally I want the Lib Dems to do well more than the Tories. Atleast they are honest (saying they will up tax for some people) and don't play games just play policy.

Obviously they won't "win" but I belive they are the least "yah boo" party and that can only be a good thing.

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and 'man gets abducted by 5 armed thugs', doesn't exactly inspire confidence in labour does it.

Is that a specific incident your referring to? If so how the fuck is that Labour's fault?

Lets vote the tory bastards and Michael the fucking SLIMEBALL howard back in eh, lets let him get another few of his cousins off like he did with John Haase here in Liverpool when he was home secrtary.

Tories are wankers. They and their ancestors are the British Status quo and they have only ever been interested in preserving themselves and their kind.

I dont give a shit how bad anybody tries to say Labour are (and i think they've done a FUCKING good job...), i will NEVER vote for tory ****s. Anyone who comes from a working class Liverpool background or has friends/family who lived in Thatcher's Liverpool, wouldn't either, i hope.

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Originally posted by Dervish Personally I want the Lib Dems to do well more than the Tories. Atleast they are honest (saying they will up tax for some people) and don't play games just play policy.

Plus they are the only one of the big three not to employ negative campaigning. The Tories and Labour only seem interested in getting down in the mud and showing the failings of their rival instead of concentrating on what they could do themselves.

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Originally posted by Dervish But Labour and the Tories are basicly the same thing these days, apart from the Tories want to part pay rich peoples private health care (growth in private health care = lost doctors from the NHS...). Plus Labour have a proven record. Personally I want the Lib Dems to do well more than the Tories. Atleast they are honest (saying they will up tax for some people) and don't play games just play policy. Obviously they won't "win" but I belive they are the least "yah boo" party and that can only be a good thing.

Nah I'm puttin all my hopes on Brown after he takes over from Blair!

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Originally posted by Streakfury I've got my views on politics, but I know very little about the subject. To me, all politicians seem to do is argue against whatever point has been put forward simply because they think there's a large majority of people out there who will agree with them, not because they actually think that it's the best course of action for the country.

Well yes and no. The Iraq war is a fantastic example of conviction politics. Blair didn�t do the popular thing there. Same could be said for top up fees and foundation hospitals - though in those cases there is more support to be found. Id cards also unpopular. Weather or not you agree with these policies, and I don�t, if you could find out honestly if they though these were in the best interests of the country, then they think it would.

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Originally posted by Streakfury Which is why I'm gonna run for Prime Minister when I'm about 40. I can sort this place out good and proper if I was given the chance. Politicians are so scared of being hated by the public for saying the wrong thing, or being politically incorrect, but I wouldn't give a flying monkey's brass ones to be honest. If it needed doing to sort the country out, it's gonna get done.

The thing is, a lot of politicians go in thinking much the same as you, then realising that the system is so much stacked against them that, realistically, there is little that can be done. Yes there are lots of 'weather veins' as Tony Benn calls them, but there are still politicians who don't just do the popular thing.

People complain about the political process, but there is only one thing that can be done if you don't agree with whats being done, GET INVOLVED!

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i love elections nights, always stay up late watching the results. Sunderland South always gets its results first.

I can�t wait to see a bit of swing!

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor I can�t wait to see a bit of swing!

*Cue Peter Snow and his Swingometer*

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Originally posted by Dervish So you'd pull a Blair then?

I AM Tony Blair.

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor Well yes and no. The Iraq war is a fantastic example of conviction politics. Blair didn�t do the popular thing there. Same could be said for top up fees and foundation hospitals - though in those cases there is more support to be found. Id cards also unpopular. Weather or not you agree with these policies, and I don�t, if you could find out honestly if they thought these were in the best interests of the country, then they think it would. The thing is, a lot of politicians go in thinking much the same as you, then realising that the system is so much stacked against them that, realistically, there is little that can be done. Yes there are lots of 'weather veins' as Tony Benn calls them, but there are still politicians who don't just do the popular thing.

I'm not talking about doing the popular thing as such, I just mean that whenever an idea is presented, there is always another party who instantly disagree with it. I know it's stupid to assume that everyone is going to agree to everything, but sometimes the ideas put forward simply are the best thing for the country, and yet people still oppose them, despite being given mountains of evidence to show how beneificial it would be.

When people do that, it's clear that they're only doing it because they think that there's a large proportion of people out there who might agree with them (and hence vote for them). It's just wrong. They just try to tell as many people as possible that they're representing their views in the hope that the general public will vote for them in their millions. It's just a struggle for power if you ask me, it's got nothing to do with what's right for the country.

another southerner raises his hand for conservatives

tho respect for labour economy wise and unemployment decreasing wise

They are all wankers, all politicians (Except Ian Paisley). 59 grand a year for sittin on their holes, jeering and fucking gurning at parliament. What you need is the DUP to come into power. That would cut out all the shit.

fucking hell ricky

I'll be voting labour, but only because my constituency is so fucking close, and they're the lesser of two evils
having said that I fail to see how any working/middle class person can vote conservative with a clear conscience

ive not looked into it yet. might not even bother voting..im pretty sure my constituency is a safe tory seat anyway..its quite a wealthy area, so i cant see them looking past the tax cuts to be honest.

ideologically, id vote lib dems..i think they should be given a shot at running the country, but realitically there not going to win..i think it will be a pretty close election

as for voting tory for crime reasons..well im pretty sure there looking to upgrade cannabis to a class b again.something to think about for some folk on here im sure

as for voting labour beacause the country seems to be alright as it is..well i dont think it can last. they have been using lottery money to fund public policy, and have a spiralling bugdet defecit.

may look into the snp actually.

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Originally posted by Az fucking hell ricky I'll be voting labour, but only because my constituency is so fucking close, and they're the lesser of two evils having said that I fail to see how any working/middle class person can vote conservative with a clear conscience

I'm not as tuned in to politics in England and Scotland, I'm pre-occupied with the twats that we have over here. Greedy bastards every one of them.
One funny story is that Sinn Fein managed to claim over half a million pounds in 'expenses' (on top of 40,000 a year). The odd thing was that the government here had been dissolved, so there was no 'work' to be done at stormont (our 'houses of parliament). Therefore there was no actual need to claim expenses.....lying bastards all of them....its the same everywhere you go, any country.

Though it seems to me that Labour are lying bastards (well, even more so) such as misleading everyone about the Iraq war, putting tution fees up (after Tony Blair saying he wouldn't) and of course the petrol protest...
The tories though - not sure on their policies, but they seem to talk shite too.
Lib Dems - want to abolish tutition fees...I'm all for that - but where does the money come from? I say kick the fucking assylum seekers out(well the lazy bastard ones) and fund it that way.

Basically the UK is fucked either way

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor The thing is, a lot of politicians go in thinking much the same as you, then realising that the system is so much stacked against them that, realistically, there is little that can be done. Yes there are lots of 'weather veins' as Tony Benn calls them, but there are still politicians who don't just do the popular thing. People complain about the political process, but there is only one thing that can be done if you don't agree with whats being done, GET INVOLVED!

Exactly one MP = fuck all power in reality (especially if in Labour with Tony Blair at the head just doing what he likes).

And as you say there are very few 'sign posts' as Mr Benn would call them left. In fact the ones that are tend to end up being cut out or taking themselfs out.

coup on jamies:

ill be voting lib deb. i dont think labour have done a bad job, but i think there are areas which wouldnt take alot of effort or thought on improving, which would make a big difference in our lives.

all the cons have done since howard got in is moaned at everything blair has done. not for me.

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