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What's with all the negativity towards Avalon? For those of you who don't know me, I've been the resident here in NY since January of 2004. I don't think I know anyone on this board personally but after browsing it the past 2 days, I'm finding that there seems to be a lot of negative vibes thrown our way. I'm taking some of these harsh things about our club a little personally since I've been with the Avalon company for 6 years (I was one of their residents in Boston before this).
What's been bothering me is that the general complaints about our club is what's plaguing just about EVERY club I've ever been to. Bad crowds, shitty sound system, too crowded, too hot, etc....Well, the reality is that no nightclub is perfect. I've been to just about every single major nightclub in America including all 3 Crobars, all 3 Avalons, Spirit, Twilo (RIP), Sound Factory, Arc, Tunnel, The Roxy, Spundae (LA), 1015 (SF), Space (Miami), the list is endless......Here's the simple reality about all of these clubs. On certain nights, yes, they are too crowded, hot, and have bad crowds. I don't think I've ever seen a crowd worse than Space in Miami. Not only were the club patrons rude and obnoxious, but so was the staff. And if you want to talk about tempurature, when there are 2000 people packed into a club, yes, it's going to get hot. I've been to other major clubs in NYC in the summer and let me tell you, I came out soaked from head to toe. And as for our sound system, the only thing I can say is that it all depends on what our guest DJ requests to use as a mixer. Folks, it ALL starts with the mixer. It acts as a pre-amp and no pass filter, amp, or speaker is going to correct the sounds coming out of that horrible Pioneer mixer that most "big name" DJs request (ie Tiesto, Ferry, Bad Boy Bill, Judge Jules, Mauro).....Part of my job is to keep our big name DJs happy and I absolutely cringe when they ask me to install the Pioneer into our booth.
And we go through painstaking efforts to bring in the best international talent from around the world. We've had just about EVERY big name DJ on the planet (minus PVD and Sander) and we still consistently bring in diverse sounds. Running a successful nighclub is almost impossible in NY and when I stop to think about it, Avalon does do a good job. And believe me, I was amazed to see what Crobar has done with their space as well. Back in September, I was in awe of their decor, sound system, lighting, and design. But every nightclub suffers from the same problems on any given night. I'm positive that the VERY first review about the upcoming PVD event at crobar will say that it was too crowded and hot.
And just about every DJ that comes through our club raves about how much fun they had playing it. Now that's gotta speak volumes about how we do things. Nightlife and dance music in general is struggling a little right now and it's negativity from it's own patrons that's killing it. Come out, have a drink, and just attempt to have a good time, no matter where you go. That's all I ask.....
Finally, if you come to Avalon and are having a shitty time, come and find me and explain your gripe. Chances are I'll smile and say "buddy, lemme buy you a drink." Or even better, I'll give you my personal email where you can write to me anything you think we can do to make things more enjoyable.
best,
Ed
I personally dont have a problem with Avalon, but Tiesto in the summer was the worst clubbing experience ever, avalon oversold that event by thousands. And i had no problems with Space down in Miami, i went there everynight and fucking loved it.
hey eddie,
i actually don't find avalon too bad.... the only time when it wasn't enjoyable was when tiesto spun there last and it was sooo packed i couldn't dance at all.... but i gotta say, all your sets i've heard have been really good... i'm glad they have you as a resident there...
your definitely right though, avalon is not the only club that doesn't get a good crowd... seems like all larger parties have a hard time maintaining that mostly cuz there's so many more people that go. all good though.. its something people have to expect and shouldn't really complain about in my opinion...
hai lee
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| Originally posted by Thero40 but Tiesto in the summer was the worst clubbing experience ever, avalon oversold that event by thousands. |
Re: Avalon
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| Originally posted by DJ Eddie Lee Nightlife and dance music in general is struggling a little right now and it's negativity from it's own patrons that's killing it. |
get rid of the rap music
AVALON is the shiznat!!!!
In my opininon it is the only club in NYC that delivers!!! Every time I went to Limelight and then Avalon I feel like I am home. And I have been clubbing for almost 10 years. IMO the club has the best crowd (no stuck up, cranked up models-wanna-be's and "vip's") the sound system does desire some improvement (who took away the speakers above the stage? now there is no sound on the second floor.) and they manage to bring some really good talent (where else I get to hear Chris Liebing).
So to all the complainers STOP GOING TO SEE TIESTO there and will be a really good club experience.
BTW Eddie Lee your sets are great keep up a great work.
l i m e l i g h t
's audio and lights are fine avalon
will never be an underground club
and that's fine however its location
is just perfect it has a history and
everything you need to have a good
time the only problem is t/ way t/
venue is promoted a fine crowd is
essential in t/ entertainment business
how is it possible to have atimes 80%
of the ppl to be men? t/ management
needs to make a priority changing this
and enforce a more equal ratiof guys
to girls at thentrance this can be done
easily by making sure every guy comes
with a female friend at very least or
even better for the all girls to be
comped before 12
you'll be surprised how things change
for the better in every regard ...
salu2
;)
ps. by the way i never cared about
the constant whining some ta's
have about t/ club since i gout
to hear/enjoy music
does it ever occur to people.... that when u give the reason "i hate the crowd at Avalon, thats y im not going", you NOT GOING isnt going to somehow change the crowd.... real trance fans NOT GOING isnt going to get the other ppl who go for other reason to NOT GO. go to Avalon, represent, and yea, the person with the reply on top of mine said a good idea on how to ge tmore girls (which i culd care less about, because i dont go to clubs to holler at chicks, i go to see DJs of a certain calibur that Avalon knows seems to be the only club to book).
Firstly thanks Eddie for taking the time to post... But as i stated earlier. The a/c system at avalon sucks, crobar for the most part is frigid why cant avalon at least be somewhat cool? And the sound last time i was at avalon it was horrid what type of limiter/compressor is it going through? Is it being passed through proper filters? As for the dj requesting a djm600 I have seen dj's at avalon and the same djs at other clubs and where my ears didnt hurt. How were the able to make it sound decent? Why cant avalon?
thanks
john
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| Originally posted by DJ Eco the person with the reply on top of mine said a good idea |
Hi Eddie:
I think Avalon is in a league of its own. It has great employees, a good vibe, and a positive attitude; the church has been supposedly "desanctified" so it has nice decor and architecture above it all. I think that certain DJs might prefer the euroclub feel versus a more laid back clubbing environment that I believe is AvalonNYC. Also, many reportedly complain that the sound permeation and ventilation is poor quality compared to other warehouse-converted clubs. I think they could do something "Renaissance"-esque with Avalon, and play up the fact that it is in a church with a stricter "clubber's code of ethics." This might then weed out disreputable clubbers. 
First is the sound quality of course- since that is what makes or breaks a clubber's night.
This way it gives the big name DJs a chance to choose which style they'd prefer- old school classic night or big euroclub feel. What do others think?
Edit: I don't know what they've done to the Avalon in Boston recently, but it used to be one of my favorite clubs. Why not recreate that vibe for AvalonNYC?
Edit: Actually, thinking about it more, the fact that the church was not built to be a nightclub probably means something. Perhaps move it out of a church?
its good that your defending a place you hold residency, but i think the major complaint ppl have about avalon is the crowd... there are lots of tourists there that has nothing to do with the music or what the dj plays, just basically there to get fucked up to some 'techno'. and alots of tas can easily see that. plus many female tas had horrible experiences at avalon with these 'men'.
the biggest complaint i had was with how management/advertising/pr misled people early last year with respect to ticket prices. entry was being advertised as one such price, but at the door, it was jacked up at least 5-10 dollars on top of the advertised price. the fact that it was being played off by people as, oh it was WMC, people were too busy to update, along with a bevy of excuses didn't do much to endear avalon to a lot of people on the boards.
i think the ventilation thing is the biggest problem within the club, and once you add in so many people in such a tight area, the problem is compounded.
sound leaves something to be desired, but has improved with the removal of speakers, and i'm sure other changes as well.
i can get past all these factors for certain djs... but for me, the whole pricing snafu definitely left a sour taste in my mouth, and is my number one reason for not going to avalon. the trust isn't there.
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| Originally posted by dj tek there are lots of tourists there that has nothing to do with the music or what the dj plays, just basically there to get fucked up to some 'techno'. and alots of tas can easily see that. plus many female tas had horrible experiences at avalon with these 'men'. |
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| Originally posted by trunks1022 the biggest complaint i had was with how management/advertising/pr misled people early last year with respect to ticket prices. entry was being advertised as one such price, but at the door, it was jacked up at least 5-10 dollars on top of the advertised price. the fact that it was being played off by people as, oh it was WMC, people were too busy to update, along with a bevy of excuses didn't do much to endear avalon to a lot of people on the boards. i can get past all these factors for certain djs... but for me, the whole pricing snafu definitely left a sour taste in my mouth, and is my number one reason for not going to avalon. the trust isn't there. |
Last time I went to Avalon is was for Marco V last summer....the heat sucks yes, but you deal, the sound not the best but if your really there for the music you suck it up and find the best place in the club to listen to it OR if your there for a certain DJ then find out where else the DJ is spinning and see them there (that IMO is what a true fan does)
My biggest problem is the guys thinking every girl is in there for them to grab, touch, dance with whatever....I have only had this problem happen at one other club Crobar, of course some guy licked my ear at Crobar. IMO Avalon is like a meat market and that is what needs to change, it's all about the people that come to the club....its the Marketing/PR people that need to do a better job....all they are looking for is to fill up the club with whoever they can find....well there are enough of us out there that would go to Avalon for the music and not to get "fucked up" "hook up" whatever, perhaps if Avalon focused in on the music lovers and not the money.....the music lovers would come with the $, if you like someone enough you'll pay the extra money IF you know everyone else is there for the music also. My 2 cents
My final post regarding this topic.....
Running a nightclub, unfortunately, is a business. You have no idea how much money it takes to successfully run a nightclub in this city. With all the laws working against us, sacrifices must be made. By this I mean that we need to fill the club in order to stay open. We can't just rely on the true music heads b/c quite frankly, there just aren't enough of us to fill any large club. That's just the reality of it. If we were going to only cater to true music lovers, we would have lasted about a week here in NYC.
Like I said, the majority of people that "go out" in NYC have no idea what to expect musically when they enter a club. This is an MTV market where eye candy conquers over substance. There are guys in every club aggressively hitting on women. My sister got hit on when I brought her to Cielo, Centro-fly, Crobar, and yes, even Avalon. It happens everywhere you go! And I can't even begin to describe some of the things that happens when I go anywhere with my cousin. She practically gets molested EVERYWHERE she goes and I usually spend the night beating guys off with a stick! Women getting hit on isn't anything new, it happens in every nightclub.
My point is that Avalon, along with every large capacity club in America suffers from the same problems. Trust me when I tell you that we try to be fair at the door, attempt to cater to a better crowd, and do our best to provide a positive nightlife experience for everyone. There's ALWAYS something to complain about wherever you go, but keep an open mind I'm sure the positives will usually outweigh your complaints.
As for the Tiesto night last summer, I agree, it was HOT! I was at the club from 10pm to 7am so trust me, I suffered more than any of you. And for the record, my DJ booth is just as hot as the dancefloor. I couldn't get around the club nor could I find a comfortable place anywhere in the building that night. But what did I do? I MADE THE BEST OF IT w/o complaining.
And let me leave y'all with this little nugget of wisdom. "You can please some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
well put
i think cuz avalon is slightly more compact than crobar, spirit, or roxy, all the crazy people are bunched up.... haha..
either way.. ferry always rips it up there.. thats all i gotta say.
Bite Me, or Why I Hate Avalon.
By Miss Bliss
Getting hit on is nothing new, but getting hit on at Avalon more often than not involves getting your tits literally grabbed or getting some guy literally throwing himself on you. The only other club where the pick-up scene is comparable is Webster Hall, which is even dirtier. Crobar, Spirit, Roxy --> I have never been hit on to the extent that I was hit on at Avalon. I believe this is because the bridge and tunnel crowd goes to Avalon, and in general a bunch of dirty people who for whatever reason, like to frequent that club.
That leads me to my next point. Changing the crowd at Avalon would be nice, but not enough people care about that to come out and have a real good EDM lover concentration on any Avalon night. Simply put, too many real EDM fans who love a DJ playing at Avalon have had such bad experiences there that it would take an open bar, free lap dances, and free admission to bring them back. Just make some of the lap dancers male for us ladies, thanks.
The sound sucks. I have heard *horror* stories about NYE with Sasha 1.5 years ago. I'm talking the sound system ruined their night even though they were fucked up out of their minds. When something bothers you when you're fucked up, that's how you know something's REALLY wrong. When I went to Avalon for Judge Jules, I couldn't hear what songs he was playing and the lyrics were so fuzzy. I was on the main floor and also had to strain my neck to see the DJ.
Which brings me to the next point. The layout BLOWS. It's hot as fucking hell. The main floor is tiny and you can't see the DJ. You can hardly find the bathroom. Bouncers are idiots and assholes. They jack up prices and lie about them.
I could go on but I've made my point.
Now let's think about Spirit, Crobar, or Roxy...
Spirit: DJ booth is elevated, I don't like that. I like to look at the DJ's face. But main floor is big enough and layout is simple. There are places to sit, and that's huge! The A/C works. And they give huge shots at the bar. 
Crobar: No complaints at all. Crowded on 18+ nights, but I deal with it since I'm only 19. Main floor is big enough. Nice spots to hang out on the steps to the left of the DJ booth. DJ booth is actually almost on the level with the crowd! I love it! Visuals and lights are cool.
Roxy: Main floor is ginormous, so it's perfect for artists like PVD and Armin to pack the house. Why anyone would go see Tiesto at Avalon is beyond me. Do you enjoy the risk of death by trampling? Roxy is easy to get around in. And I have fond memories there.
I'm tired of typing about a topic that will never get resolved anyway. I say turn Avalon back into a church... 
But go ahead, keep on earning your money in this difficult difficult business, Avalon...
Bring back DJ Keoki!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LMFAO saw flyers for him down in Miami!!!! 
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| Originally posted by Miss Bliss Crobar: No complaints at all. Crowded on 18+ nights, but I deal with it since I'm only 19. Main floor is big enough. Nice spots to hang out on the steps to the left of the DJ booth. DJ booth is actually almost on the level with the crowd! I love it! Visuals and lights are cool. |
i've only been to avalon once- sasha on nye 2004- and i must say it was one of the best clubbing experiences ever. i was shocked to hear how everyone hates it now, because it was GREAT that night! and that was on nye, where i had to wait 1.5 hrs to get in, as well as be a sardine for a few hrs of the night. however, i expected that, and that wasnt avalons fault. i would def go back if a dj i loved was there, and have a great time again!
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