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Posted by Psionic on Apr-14-2005 11:41:

Which genre do you think is easier/hardest to spin?

I think trance is probably easier than some others like progressive house, but maybe techno is easier than trance? What do you guys think?


Posted by ibiza_cat on Apr-14-2005 12:33:

house is probably the easiest to spin, techno is easier but when it comes to three decks, the mix has to be tight because you cant constantly re-adjust on three decks while EQing and fading.


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-14-2005 12:38:

I spin both alot of prog house & trance...

I find that it depends on my mood & how much im into it. Sometimes I can't mix eather . Especially if the mastering/production of the track isn't great.


Most tracks imo with a distinct Kick & Hat, are the easier to match, does not really depend on the genre.


I don't play much techno so I can't help you there.


Posted by Timski on Apr-14-2005 12:42:

personally i would say that the more chilled progressive stuff is the easyest... i would guess house would be but i cant comment considering... well i hate house music.

I love mixing techno and using 3 decks its quite hard and feels alot more rewarding when you keep some mean tracks playing together from start to finish to create neato sounds.

trance and hard trance are on par with how easy they are to mix i think... but it depends how you mix it and how long they carry out for before they are enjoyable IMO


Posted by Mr. Tippy on Apr-14-2005 13:12:

Breaks.


Posted by Nick Mimas on Apr-14-2005 13:19:

Trance is easiest I find and the hardest is probably house and breaks.


Posted by Joost on Apr-14-2005 13:22:

Hmm.. i would personally say that Trance is one of the harder genres to spin, Progressive is even worse.

Fairly easy in my opinion are Jumpstyle/Hardstyle..


Posted by Allied Nations on Apr-14-2005 14:37:

in terms of beatmatching, i find prog the easiest, in terms of track selection, of the most difficult genres in the 120-140 bpm range...

i dont think were gonna get into ambient/chillout or dnb....

i also have a lot of fun mixing breaks, and is most natural for me, i guess it depends...


Posted by TranceSpeeder on Apr-14-2005 14:44:

slow trance to me is the hard one.


Posted by ibiza_cat on Apr-14-2005 15:07:

yeah i can agree on breaks because normally you would get a composition of bassdrum then snare which is cake to mix


Posted by Exodus17 on Apr-14-2005 16:25:

imo is depends on the track... each genre has its easy tracks and hard tracks...

ive got a couple breaks tracks that are kinda strange... its a constant beat for a few bars then it changes up some to a more basic breakbeat after a while.. its just akward sometimes..

with Dnb it can be pretty hard but again.. it depends on the beat structure of the track

id say trance is hardest for me to mix since i use belt dirves with cheap pitch control.. its harder to make a good smooth mix that flows cus usually if im not riding the pitch or keeping my finger on one of the tracks it drifts and becomes extremely noticable that its off...

again.. it depends


Posted by F�anor on Apr-14-2005 17:20:

Being a newbie, I'd say House is the easiest, then trance, then break. I don't know Techno.


Posted by Allied Nations on Apr-14-2005 17:51:

quote:
Originally posted by F�anor
Being a newbie, I'd say House is the easiest, then trance, then break. I don't know Techno.


i think house is the easiest to learn, but to master,

i think they all pleatueu, and each is as difficult as the next when dealing with perfection.

maybe one is easier to start off with or wtvr, but in the end, its all very very similar, except in my opinion, 8 deck ambient....


Posted by kr00t0n on Apr-14-2005 21:05:

hard house is the easiest, then breaks, then house, I consider trance to be failry tricky as you have to worry about key/melody clashes moreso than most genres.


Posted by xx_lucy_xx on Apr-14-2005 21:05:

The first tracks i ever nailed were house, cant even remeber why i was spinning them, not my style at all, but i feel hardstyle flows quite well.


Posted by Zild on Apr-14-2005 21:58:

They're about the same. Toughest for me is hip-hop. My tempo on my hip hop vinyl ranges from 60-130 BPM so you have to know your tracks extremely well. Whoever said that trance is tricky because you have to keep the tunes in key I hope you're not mixing other genres out of key because that sounds piss too. Doesn't matter what kind of music you're mixing you need to stay away from key clashes.


Posted by i got big pants on Apr-14-2005 22:15:

trance is pretty easy...but i feel like dnb is a bit easier once you know what to listen for


Posted by fr3sh on Apr-14-2005 22:39:

any parts where there are highly audible hi hats and snares that are very complex and fast... in any genre. even if you are 'kind of' on point... that is often not good enough... you need to be right on point for the mix to sound clean and clear

also parts of a track with no kick... you just have to get a really good feel for those ones


Posted by dj chex on Apr-14-2005 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by fr3sh
any parts where there are highly audible hi hats and snares that are very complex and fast... in any genre. even if you are 'kind of' on point... that is often not good enough... you need to be right on point for the mix to sound clean and clear

also parts of a track with no kick... you just have to get a really good feel for those ones


I'd have to agree. a track with more timbres than just a drum beat can make things a little harder. Because when your dealing with more sounds, you have to deal with eqing more and have to know what your tracks sound so they won't key clash.

but overall, i think both house, trance, and progressive are fairly easy for me now. I think some experimental techno and abstract are hard to mix b/c you really need to knwo the track. Artists like Mu-ziq freak me out and turn me on at the same time for mixing...


Posted by Derivative on Apr-15-2005 01:32:

quote:
yeah i can agree on breaks because normally you would get a composition of bassdrum then snare which is cake to mix


not if the snare is off beat. in drum and bass this can be a serious pain in the arse what with all the swing beats going on. for instance, take a listen to benjie - AI (rawthang VIP mix) and trace and fresh - mutated x and try beatmatching them. utter pain in the arse. the speed, combined with the weird breaks combined with the fact it drops unpredictably and suddenly and no break starts on a clean beat. and you have just signed yourself up for a beatmatching nightmare.

psytrance is fairly easy to beatmatch. not particularly fast tempos, prominant kick and bass in 8ths and 16ths. would be easy to spin if not for the fact that alot of psy tunes often have an irregular/odd number of phrases. this means if you dont plan out what you are mixing it can all sound horribly weird even though its all in time. i hope that makes sense. songs like beathackers - transpose epitomise this. it breaks down 5 times. drops unpredictably and except for the first building movement at the start, all subsequent movements have an odd number of phrases. this makes it fucking annoying to mix.

hard house is imho the easiest to mix. nearly always uniform number of phrases. very prominant kick drum. very prominant percussion in off beat, 8ths and 16ths so its hard to get lost. breakdowns and build ups are nearly always predictable. between labels there is also a very distinct and uniform style. for instance. tidy trax nearly always have tunes that build using a snare roll. kicks hitting every bar. then 4 times every bar. 8 times. 16 times. snares go mental. theres a vocal sample. and then it drops. you can hear tidy drops a mile away. then its a uniform number of phrases till the next breakdown.

(edit: you can hear that benjie track here: http://www.nu-urbanmusic.co.uk/shop/section.php?id=27&showLabel=Black+Sun+Empire. the trace and fresh tune is far worse but unfortunately, you cant buy it anymore and i cant find an audio clip of it. suffice it to say, its truly fucked)


Posted by LeiWM06 on Apr-15-2005 06:11:

I say:
trance < tribal < house < techno < breaks < drums & bass < hip hop


I gotta give to the hip hop djs... hip hop is so hard....


Posted by Salem on Apr-15-2005 06:18:

yes, house is the easiest.


Posted by Rick D on Apr-15-2005 06:27:

only really spin trance, which i can do fairly well if im in the mood. I do have a couple of breaks tunes though and something i find difficult is mixing from 4/4 beat into breakbeat and back again, in fact i cant actually do it yet


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Apr-15-2005 16:28:

Easiest, breaks. Hardest, funky tech.


Posted by placebo on Apr-15-2005 16:56:

It's all hard to match. No matter what genre. Once you learn it, then its cake.

I'd say hard house is the easiest to "mix", becuase there really is NO eq'ing involved, same with funky breaks.

It took me forever to actually beat match tracks, but once I got the hang of it, everything after that fell into place, i could mix breaks, dnb, i could drop breaks out of house, and vice versa.

It's just practice. Practice, practice, practice. I NEVER thought i'd get it. But once you learn to hear whats going faster or slower, then you really get the hang of it.

When I mix breaks, I pay attention to the highs, rather then the lows, once I match the highs, I bring the lows back in and do the fine tuning. Same thing when mixing breaks out of a house or trance track.

Breaks took me a long time to learn, mainly because they vary so much, just like hiphop and dnb.

Practice makes perfect


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