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CD or VINYL Are they the same to mix with(Please Help)
I'm trying to figure out what to start of mixing with, and here is my question. I would saw a lot of money if I was mixing with cd's because they can be burned and I could save a lot of money, but can you produce the same effect while mixing cd's compared to vinyl???
Please help I'm confused what to purchase cd's decks or record players??
what would you guys recommend to buy what mixer and what cd or vinyl players???? in the average cost nothing high end I'm just starting off. thanx
I like turntables. FIrst off, they are much more fun. Cd's are just not as fun. also, if you play a gig, the analog sounds (records) are much more preferred because they sound quite a lot better at higher volumes. that's my 2 cents.
This is just my 2cents and I'm probally going to catch alot of flack for this but I really don't consider CD mixing as proper Djing.
The true art behind Djing is all in the platter control i.e being able to drop the 1 beat on the 1 beat perfect everytime, this is the part that actually kills people when trying to learn how to Dj, its a simple wrist motion but it requires alot of skill. If you dont start the 1 beat on the 1 beat, you really cripple yourself when trying to pitch the bpm of the record up or down to flow with the one your mixing into.
People who mix CD they just press a button and it starts autmatically, there's no real skill involved!
I'd buy turntables.
I'd go for vinyl for different reasons.
The pitch on a CD isn't as accurate as on a TT. There tends to be a gap between let's say 5.1 and 5.2, which makes beatmatching quite a bitch. You constantly have to use the jog wheel or the pitch bend to keep the records in sync. It's a lot easier to correct errors on TTs. You have a better feeling for what you're doing and it's also a lot easier to find a certain part of a song. Also, in my experience, when you speed up a tune on vinyl or on cd, they tend to sound different(in my opinion a speeded up vinyl produces a nicer sound than a cd). And don't forget those nice rumbling bass sounds that are produced by vinyls. Cds simply can't compete with that. And on a personal note I really don't like the counting down thingy on cds, it makes me incredibly nervous. I love the fact that you can just see where the vinyl's gonna end. That's a lot more reassuring since you aren't fighting against the clock.
This is my opinion and is obiously very subjective. I hope noone is offended by it. There a lot of things that are in favor of cds(e.g. availibility of classic tracks, which are incredibly hard to come by on vinyl). I simply don't like cds because you can't touch them while playing. You don't feel the music. Please take into account that I don't have a lot of experience in mixing with cds.
i say go with vinyl... start buying vinyl now, and then get the tech 12's later when you have a nice collection going...
someone posted a comment on this in another thread, don't bother with the midlle area stuff, just go for the tech 12's cause you get the mid-range turntables and you just keep spending your cash on more vinyl and never really save up for better decks
don't even bother with CDJs... start with turntables, unless you have a job that requires you mix with CDs... you'll wind up kicking yourself in the end
It's sad that most of the people are biased.. I think that vinyl is a great upgrade for a dj, but as a begginer I would reccomend getting cd's and if you like em step up to vinyl. cds are cheaper, you dont have to spend your money on vinyl, and its a good way to see if you like it. I personally just ordered two cdj-20's and a bpm-150 (gemini) from audiolines.com for about 470$ including shipping. because I too was in that confusion... (great gear for the price!) but I have two friends who mix cds, one who does raves in CA and one who mixs at a club in Colorado.. and they love cds!! they too started on cds, and later bought tt's to add, but still use both about half and half-
as a begginer I would reccomend cds to make sure you like it.. and take an upgrade after you figure you do
and oanother thing?? no skill involved with mixing cds?? where do you come from?? HAVE YOU EVER MIXED CDS?
To answer your question yes I've mixed CD, and I stand by my statement no skill involved.
to do cds right it takes tons of skill, mayb even more than vinyl, to do it well, there are many people who mix cds terribly, but someone good with it can do the same or better as people good with turntables
ok... i was going on the assumption that Bandit already knows he want's to DJ... if you're still sketchy about it, don't even bother buying anything until you know for sure you want to DJ... otherwise that's a HUGE waste of money
if you're just interested in DJing right now, then get friendly with a DJ, and try things out with thier stuff... then you'll know for sure if you want to DJ or not, without wasting the cash
No guys I never mixed cd's I only tried it once but with a bad mixer I love to do it though I done it a lot of times on the computer buts its not the same hands on experience as with a real mixer.
Well as one person pointed out that cd's would be cheaper, so I guess cd would be better for me, but I am not sure.
Do you know any other sites that I can order dj stuff from...
oh to answer your question yeah I am really sure that I want to get into this dj thing I really enjoy spinig my own beat and having people enjoy it as well...
what are some good sites that sell dj mixers and cd/vinyl players???
audiolines.com (probably the cheapest)
planetdj.com (free shipping, and 5% off everything this weekend, look into it!)
pssl.com (very well established, not gonna rip you off)
etronics.com (dj section, very good ordered form before)
djdepot.com (expensive)
123dj.com (sketchy but good prices)
I've looked at em all all the other ones pretty much suck
hey im also another keen dj. though ive only used cd's to mix, i wanna give vinyl a go. i just wanted to know wheteher that site audiolines.com is a store situated in the USA?? coz im from australia and i duno what currency that is.as a matter of fsct i got a party this week that im gonna dj at. i might look around and see if u can get a few basic lessons on how to ix with vinyl coz my mate whos a dj always seems to be busy. anyways get back to me on the audiolines.com questions. thanx
personally i dont know anyone that spins rekkZ and doesnt like it.
Even at parties. CDdj comes in with his lil cd case. and people look. then comes in Vinyl jock with his record case. Everyone says oh great the DJs here 
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i think that if u truly want to get into this....which u already have stated...then go with Vinyl. Your not going to be sorry. 
oh by they way (so i dont get flamed) I own 4 turntables and a CD Deck so I know what im talkin bout.
1200's 4 Life
yeah I noticed the majority of the dj are into vinyl
you have some good points there but how much to vinyls go for ????
Canadian or Us fund???????
what companies do you recommend for mixers and what are some good mixers that you recommend???
what companies for tt's or cd decks????
Give me some models like average quality ones not too expensive I'm still in school I don't have too much spare cash.
Please specify what funds you are mentioning Canadian or US...
Thanx
audiolines.com is based in chicago illinois, (central USA) just for the record ( no pun inteneded) haha
I got nothing against vinyl, I think its all good, but I just cant stand people who say cds suck.. etc, I think dj's shoudldnt just go around dissing each other sayin their gear is better.. its like a big family, we all shouldnt hate each other 
cds - vinyl, its all just somebodys choice.
I've tried vinyl, cds, and mp3's..
to say that any of these doesn't require skill is ignorant. except maybe using auto-bpm match when mixing mp3's, but even then it still takes SOME mixing knowledge to drop the beat at the right time and in the right place...
in some ways, vinyl is easier than cd's, i guess they just require DIFFERENT skills..
Anyways, I have invested my money in the vinyl route, only because of access to new songs. I can go into a record store, or browse online, and get new songs easier on vinyl than on cd or mp3.
but that's only because the ontario government was kind enough to give me $9600 OSAP loan, and UofT an extra $450 grant.. otherwise i wouldn't be able to afford it.
But respect to ppl who mix with whatever, cuz its all about the music.
Quddah, You should look up the meaning of ignorant: 1 a : destitute of knowledge or education; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence.
If you would have read my post completely, you would have noticed that I've dj'ed with CDs mixers before and on numerous occasions, so what I said was not an ignorant statement, it was just an opinion that is different to yours! And as I've stated already the true art behing djing is queueing, i.e "being able to drop the 1st beat of the 1st bar on the 1st beat of the 1st bar of the song your mixing into. This is the skill involved in Djing as most of you who dj with vinyl know already, if you push to hard you jump over the first beat, to soft you lag behing. In cd mixing it's an instant start-up cue. There is some skill involved in using the pitch controls on either Turntable or Cds to beat-match a song but not as much as people make it out to be, that is simply training your ear to distinguish which song is playing fast or slow and making minor adjustments.
Droping the beat at the right time in the bars so songs tend to flow without interuption is not skill, that's all down to talent and understanding how sounds relate to one another, and IMO is something you really can't teach. Talent is either something you have or you don't.
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| Originally posted by trintiy If you would have read my post completely, you would have noticed that I've dj'ed with CDs mixers before and on numerous occasions, so what I said was not an ignorant statement, it was just an opinion that is different to yours! And as I've stated already the true art behing djing is queueing, i.e "being able to drop the 1st beat of the 1st bar on the 1st beat of the 1st bar of the song your mixing into. This is the skill involved in Djing as most of you who dj with vinyl know already, if you push to hard you jump over the first beat, to soft you lag behing. In cd mixing it's an instant start-up cue. There is some skill involved in using the pitch controls on either Turntable or Cds to beat-match a song but not as much as people make it out to be, that is simply training your ear to distinguish which song is playing fast or slow and making minor adjustments. Droping the beat at the right time in the bars so songs tend to flow without interuption is not skill, that's all down to talent and understanding how sounds relate to one another, and IMO is something you really can't teach. Talent is either something you have or you don't. |
I never made any reference to a crossfader. And it is defenitly possible to drop the first beat perfect everytime. I've been to 2 dj schools. The Point blank Dj course in London and the Technics academy in Birmingham. Both concentrate on queueing and how to drop the beat perfect everytime. Once you get this pattern down like a machine the rest is simple.
trnity.. calm down, why dont you stop fighting with yourself 
i never said CDJ's sucked... i totally agree with the fact that it does take skill to mix CD's, different skills, but still skill... i'm just saying to bandit that if he wants in for the long haul and this is not just a phase, then go with vinyl... now as for TTs... i can remember who posted this, but he/she said that if you're going the route of vinyl, then buy your vinyl and save up for the tech 1200's, cause if you wind up paying for a 'cheaper' deck, you just keep buying vinyl (and don't say you won't, it's like crack, you need it) you'll just keep spending your cash on vinyl and not saving up for the tech 12's when you grow tired of your 'cheaper' decks
as for a mixer... EQ for each channel, and heaphone cueing slectivity are the main things you want to look for... go to a local store and check a few out, you can most likely ask to try them out as well... see what suits you...
one last thing... never give up
How much do vinyl records go for (full or signles)...each??????
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| Originally posted by BANDIT How much do vinyl records go for (full or signles)...each?????? |
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