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How do you create rich and fat sounds?

I mean all I get with vanguard is lows and some mids.
I almost never get high sounds.
The problem is that the only synth i know how to program is vanguard...

If you only get low and mids, why wont you just add some highs?

And to get your fat sound, just copy the Vang a couple or few times and give each his own EQ. (Low's, Mid's, High's)

What do you mean you don't get highs? Vanguard always gives me extremely bright highs that I have to tone down quite a bit.

Try creating a duplicate of the patch and transpose and detune the oscilators wider on the duplicate. Try all the different waveforms too. Pulses and squares work well for lower end I've found. Ajx Saws work really well for highs.

Failing that, when your mixing down duplicate the audio track and cut the highs above 7-10 KHz on the original and cut the lows below 7-10 KHz on the copy. If you add some stereo imaging to the highs it gives a nice shifting sparkly top end to it. Doesnt really fatten it up as such, but gives it a bit of that extra depth. If you dont have access to a stereo imager, a slight delay or reverb can also do the trick.

dont know cause i dont produce properly yet, but i suggest use alot of good effects?

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Originally posted by RiCo What do you mean you don't get highs? Vanguard always gives me extremely bright highs that I have to tone down quite a bit.

I find the same with Vanguard - it can have a fizzy, tinny top end. Drow - what kinds of melody are you playing on the Vanguard? I assume it's a main melody rather than a bassline. What are you using to monitor the output from your sequencer? Speakers? Headphones?

I'm playing a main lead.
I have 2.1 speakers and I'm gonna get inspire 4.1

this might sound stupid but do you play with the filter??? cuz most of the presets are filtered... try that (if you didnt know)

lol i do

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Originally posted by Axolotyl Try creating a duplicate of the patch and transpose and detune the oscilators wider on the duplicate. Try all the different waveforms too. Pulses and squares work well for lower end I've found. Ajx Saws work really well for highs. Failing that, when your mixing down duplicate the audio track and cut the highs above 7-10 KHz on the original and cut the lows below 7-10 KHz on the copy. If you add some stereo imaging to the highs it gives a nice shifting sparkly top end to it. Doesnt really fatten it up as such, but gives it a bit of that extra depth. If you dont have access to a stereo imager, a slight delay or reverb can also do the trick.

Thanks for the tips.
But I don't get it.
I tried to detune and stuff, still not much highs.

vanguard has tonnes of highs. its oscillators alias so much i dont see how you are possibly not getting highs.

to test this out just set the filter to band pass/x band pass or any of the high pass filters, open the cutoffs on the envelopes and listen to it screech.

highs do not = fat sounds though.

stacking up loads of detuned and stereo spread vanguards doesnt up the fatness that much either. its like trying to artificially beef up the sound by 'unison'ing' it.

simplicity. more oscillators and more timbres dont necessarily make a sound fatter. it makes it more complex but thats not always desirable. the fattest thing ive ever heard is an overdriven 303 straight into a mixing console.

thats 1 saw/square wave oscillator. 1 very basic filter. and only a filter decay envelope. thats it.

alot of people get bogged down making these monster, 6 oscillator, 3 parts multitimral, 50 voice monster leads. and sometimes it works (check out some of lab4 virus lead on candyman - fuckin hell). but sometimes you just need to retain some of that simplicity and purity in the sound.

single saw wave oscilaltor with tonnes of distortion in vanguard, low cutoff, high res makes nice fat acid.

The updated version uses alias-free oscies so it sounds way better. Mine is the old one, so the high frequencies are crazy in the ears. I don't understand how he cannot get highs in Vanguard. That's the most ear piercing VSTi I've ever heard. I cannot wear my headphones with it when programming sounds. I can do that with every other synthie.

But I'm talking about supersaws.
Supersaws must have highs too.

I am not sure what you mean with highs...

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You could take any patch, open the cutoff filter to maximum and play some notes in high range C5 or higher...you should get some highs now...

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You can take an EQ and Add "highs" in the frequency spectrum of 3000Hz and higher. Just take an EQ and play with it...

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I wonder if you mean something different with "highs"
Probably you compare your vanguard sounds to very professional lead sounds made with hardware like Jp8000, Access Virus or Nord Lead.
Perhaps you think that your sounds of vanguard do not have this warmth, dynamic, punch and brightness (highs?) like this sound from hardware synthesizers. Do you think that your supersaw do not have this "brightness" ? Is it that what you mean...

Trancevision

hmmz it sounds like your vanguard just doesnt like you

When i eq the highs i get only white noise.
I compare vanguard to zeta and other synths...

Even with the resonance down, I still get highs...unless I close down the filter envelope enough so with the cut-off open all the way, it still doesn't let a lot of the high freqs out. Vanguard sounds good but to me it's too metallic sounding...no matter what my approach is to programming the sounds. Even with the freebie Synth1 I can achieve better evolving pads and wider sounds than Vanguard.

vanguard can do some damn insane morphing arps i mean im a big fan of arps and theres very few synths that can do them good but fuck can vanguard do some damn good arps using the delay and stero gating. stero gating is fucken crazy. but yeah i agree usually its not taht great but fuck is it wonderfull when you match the right notes to the right sound with it. truely amazing synth, however it doesnt even touch z3ta but hell z3ta is a massive monster.

you get really little highs for me...
ill post a print screan later

well are you trying to create like high notes becuase if thats the case just move youe melody up some to be in a higher note range. messing with the filters will only create fuzziness and shit but why not just move your notes up and adjust the tuning of the osc's in vanguard

Phat sounds?? Vanguard?

Try the Arturia stuff & KLC.. or any Analog style stuff.

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ well are you trying to create like high notes becuase if thats the case just move youe melody up some to be in a higher note range. messing with the filters will only create fuzziness and shit but why not just move your notes up and adjust the tuning of the osc's in vanguard

I get little to none highs.
Most of the highs I get are white noize...

in your piano roll do this put your melody in the c6 range and then put it again in the c4 range and then try it you should get both high and depth to it.

Here u go mate i know its not perfect but i did in like 3 mins just playing around its 3x vangaurds playing diffrent patches the final eq isnt that great but ive provided teh cpr the master track has Waves efx to it but the vanguards are cubase eqed so here yas go.



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I can ARP the f@ck out of Vanguard. It's great for arps...but I don't like it's overall sound. Still, a cool synthie...it definately has its strenghts...and unique sound...I can recognize that synth in a symphonic gagglef@ck.

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