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Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 16:53:

And the winner is....

The new pope is the German. Someone tell me how they decide what name they're gonna call themselves. This guy just went from being John Q. Smithenweizter to Pope Benedict XVI.

Posted by Dupz on Apr-19-2005 16:56:

John Q. Smithenweizter? Isnt it Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger??

Posted by Dupz on Apr-19-2005 17:10:

So what is this guy about? What are his values/views? Is he another John Paul II or is he going to be some hard arse anti-"everyone not Catholic"?

Posted by zig on Apr-19-2005 17:10:

Re: And the winner is....

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Originally posted by Shakka
The new pope is the German. Someone tell me how they decide what name they're gonna call themselves. This guy just went from being John Q. Smithenweizter to Pope Benedict XVI.

It must have been a miracle... ......the new Pope is Ratzinger......

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
John Q. Smithenweizter? Isnt it Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger??

Indeed it is. I was being a bit sarcastic as I don't understand how they choose to rename themselves. I may be one of the older posters in this forum, but I have never really witnessed the election of a new pope(at least I don't really remember the last once since I was so young back then).

Posted by zig on Apr-19-2005 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
So what is this guy about? What are his values/views? Is he another John Paul II or is he going to be some hard arse anti-"everyone not Catholic"?

Hes another John Paul II......hard arsed traditionalist....old school catholic.....as far as i know he was in the Hitler Youth...could be wrong on that but i think he was....i dont know much about him other than he is very much in keeping the values of the catholic church going...ie..no condoms for africans etc

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-19-2005 17:23:

Hey, congratulations to our new Hitler Youth, German army Pope! Woohoo!!!:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1572667,00.html

Posted by zig on Apr-19-2005 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Hey, congratulations to our new Hitler Youth, German army Pope! Woohoo!!!:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1572667,00.html

The Panzer Pope.........

Posted by zig on Apr-19-2005 17:46:

He sounds like he will be really popular......

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His condemnations are legion � of women priests, married priests, dissident theologians and homosexuals, whom he has declared to be suffering from an �objective disorder�.

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He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ � a position denounced by critics as �theological anti-semitism�. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: �Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation�.

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One liberal theologian,when asked what he thought of a Ratzinger papacy, was more direct: �It fills me with horror.�

Sounds like the next few years could be good fun......

Posted by d-miurge on Apr-19-2005 17:49:

he looks like a pervert...

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 17:54:

He's also 78. I guess they aren't expecting him to stick around that long. I give him 10 years tops.

Posted by Ian on Apr-19-2005 19:02:

it should've been father jack, i'd have picked father ted crilley but he's not about

Posted by Renegade on Apr-19-2005 19:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Ian^
it should've been father jack, i'd have picked father ted crilley but he's not about

"He could have been pope, Ted, he could have been pope! But the fecking jesuits have got it all tied up. Why is it always the good ones that die!?"

*shakes fist towards the sky*

"YOU BASTARD!"

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-19-2005 19:28:

Alrighty then, let's welcome this UBER-Conservative Nazi Pope in, shall we? I mean, who wouldn't want someone in who says these types of things:

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It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church�s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.

So far so good, right?

Uhh, U-TURN!!!:

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�But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase (No. 10).

Woohoo! It's not like we already have GOP Senators and Congressmen who condone violence against judges or anything! Thank God Almighty we now have a Pope doing the same against homosexuals! Yippie!

Oooh, forgot this nugget too:

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8. "What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well� (No. 11).

Hail to the Pope!

http://users.starpower.net/rrosenda...inger0113.shtml

http://americablog.blogspot.com/ �I...and%20in%20law.

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 19:47:

Did you really expect a Catholic, let alone the Pope to come out in support of homosexuality? Much ado about nothing, Opus. Don't act so shocked.

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-19-2005 19:53:

yeah Opus, and can we drop the out-of-context Nazi referrences...please.

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 19:55:

I think he's still blowing steam out of his ears from some recent newbie posts.

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-19-2005 19:59:

oh yeah, the "Shibbster"!
if i were Opus i'd be a little agitated too.
if i were Opus i'd also be living in Kansas.

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 20:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
oh yeah, the "Shibbster"!
if i were Opus i'd be a little agitated too.
if i were Opus i'd also be living in Kansas.

If I were Opus, I'd be a few years older and less handsome. Aw snap!

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-19-2005 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
yeah Opus, and can we drop the out-of-context Nazi referrences...please.

Well I do think his history is a bit revealing and relevant, but okay, I'll drop it for now.

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Originally posted by Q5echo Did you really expect a Catholic, let alone the Pope to come out in support of homosexuality? Much ado about nothing, Opus. Don't act so shocked.

It's not his stance against homosexuality that I am against. Granted, that's certainly a given. However, what he says the following with my own emphasis:

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But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase (No. 10).

To me that's unacceptable to say that violent behavior against homosexuals is to be expected, and directly contradicts his previous paragraph that I cited.

What's more, I don't have it on me directly but there are polls out there that demonstrate an increasing majority of Catholics are becoming more (gasp!) liberal - and the views on homosexuality is one particular case in which more Catholics believe the church should accept them. To hire a very ultra-conservative Pope goes directly against this mainstream majority view.

And yes, Kansas makes me very bitter!!!

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-19-2005 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
If I were Opus, I'd be a few years older and less handsome. Aw snap!

I'd reply with something witty if it probably wasn't so damn true.

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 20:39:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
To hire a very ultra-conservative Pope goes directly against this mainstream majority view.

Sadly, such an appointment (can a person be both very and ultra at the same time?) would probably happen more than 5 times out of 10 before they'd put a black pope in office.

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 20:45:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I'd reply with something witty if it probably wasn't so damn true.

It matters not, we're both married. I stopped caring about my looks a long time ago!

Posted by zig on Apr-19-2005 20:52:

Heres a good one.....The Cardinal Ratzinger Fan Club.....

The fan club merchandise is quite good....i like the Papist trucker hats and the T-shirts....i like this one..."putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981".....brilliant stuff......

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/

Posted by Shakka on Apr-19-2005 20:58:

quote:
Originally posted by zig
Heres a good one.....The Cardinal Ratzinger Fan Club.....

The fan club merchandise is quite good....i like the Papist trucker hats and the T-shirts....i like this one..."putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981".....brilliant stuff......

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/

Wow. That didn't take long. Service temporarily unavailable. He must have quite the fan club!

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