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Posted by inatrance on Nov-21-2001 14:31:

perfect first mix

I get my dj equipment this tuesday!!! and I'm really excited! I was wondering what the perfect "first mix" would be!

I know I probably wont pull it off but if I have two tracks that work real well together I might! So I'm asking for your opinions of what two songs I should mix together.

Right now I'm thinking Cosmic gate - space exploration into..??? I dont know!!

please tell me what two songs are your favorite to mix into each other!

thanks

Posted by Pjotr G on Nov-21-2001 14:34:

Took me about 2 months after I got my decks to pull of a little mix without all transitions trainwrecking.
If ya can pull it off the first time....well. You're good?

Posted by RavingLunatic on Nov-21-2001 16:21:

My favorite mix is the lost tribe - the gamemaster into robert miles - children..

it isn't an easy one, trying to sync them up without kick drums at the beginning of robert miles..

but you put it to the middle of the record, match it, then put it back and let the piano drop right after the last words in gamemaster..

I don't know if you have those songs though.

Posted by Kevin on Nov-21-2001 20:52:

I dont know which version of "Exploration of Space" you have, but if it is one of the harder ones then try mixing some really hard trance w/ it like something by Hennes & Cold, or maybe Jan Driver. If you dont have any of those 2 then find a good hard progressive track with a nice solid tight bassline.
Kev

Posted by DRM on Nov-21-2001 23:20:

couple of my favs are Derler & Klitzing - Nuclear Device into Club Bizarre (DJ Scot Project Remix) and Iio - Rapture (Deep Dish Mix) into Taiko Silence. These two mixes if done well are awesome

Posted by gibbo on Nov-21-2001 23:46:

My Favourite mix at the moment is Riva-who do you love now into gouryella walhalla, I always find it difficult to pull of but it sounds so good when its done right. And I know walhalla is old to but its so good i cant help myself.

Posted by DJ LIQUID on Nov-22-2001 03:56:

what Gear are u getting?

Posted by inatrance on Nov-22-2001 04:19:

i know a lot of people here think cds are crap, but I disagree, I've got 2 friends who mix cds and i've fallen in love w/it, so I got two cdj-20's and a bpm-150.. get a lot for the $$$ got it for around 470$US shipped and everything from audiolines.com a really good deal if u ask me

Posted by Az on Nov-22-2001 11:14:

I just about pulled my first ever mix off a few weeks back, i'd been messing around mixing for about half an hour, and decided to give it a proper go, and i did with some encouraging results
i mixed Barthezz - On the Move into Safri Duo - Played a Live (Nick Sentience mix), and the bongos sounded excellent when they came in
I was seriously impressed
but my stylus is busted and i can't afford to get a new one at the moment

Posted by DJsparxx on Nov-24-2001 19:51:

word of advice. don't look at the BPM counter on your mixer when you are learning how to mix. Otherwise, whats gonna happen when you don't have a BPM counter? plus it's kind of cheating.

Posted by AndiH on Nov-24-2001 20:43:

Re: perfect first mix

quote:
Originally posted by inatrance

Right now I'm thinking Cosmic gate - space exploration into..??? I dont know!!

i like exploration of space into delerium - silence (airscape mix)...here's a sample: http://212.185.44.141/home/52002041...ic-delerium.mp3

Posted by Eugene on Nov-24-2001 21:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DJsparxx
word of advice. don't look at the BPM counter on your mixer when you are learning how to mix. Otherwise, whats gonna happen when you don't have a BPM counter? plus it's kind of cheating.

I disagree with that.
The BPM counter is a very useful tool, why neglect it?

If you're suddenly without a BPM counter, you can still mix by ear, but it's likely that the songs will match only for THAT part of the mix, and diverge a little later, meaning they will have slightly different BPM's.

I have a friend who DJ's without a BPM counter. He thinks that good mixing is when you get a part that matches, and then, as soon as the songs start diverging, you finish off the mix. I think that's wrong because the BPM's are, in reality, a little different. If they were the same this wouldn't happen. So I think the BPM counter is great if you have one -- use it to your advantage!

Posted by Pjotr G on Nov-24-2001 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Eugene

I disagree with that.
The BPM counter is a very useful tool, why neglect it?

If you're suddenly without a BPM counter, you can still mix by ear, but it's likely that the songs will match only for THAT part of the mix, and diverge a little later, meaning they will have slightly different BPM's.

I have a friend who DJ's without a BPM counter. He thinks that good mixing is when you get a part that matches, and then, as soon as the songs start diverging, you finish off the mix. I think that's wrong because the BPM's are, in reality, a little different. If they were the same this wouldn't happen. So I think the BPM counter is great if you have one -- use it to your advantage!

Ehh yeah I think you have just clearly stated why BPM counter is useless...if it doesn't display bpm with 3 decimals (like 141.319) your mix is gonna go off. Anyways I can't hear by ear what bpm a record is. I don't care either. As long as i can beatmatch by ear and hear when the tempo is nice n pumpin.

Posted by Eugene on Nov-24-2001 21:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Pjotr G

Ehh yeah I think you have just clearly stated why BPM counter is useless...if it doesn't display bpm with 3 decimals (like 141.319) your mix is gonna go off. Anyways I can't hear by ear what bpm a record is. I don't care either. As long as i can beatmatch by ear and hear when the tempo is nice n pumpin.

Well, experienced DJ's can probably beatmatch extremely well without a BPM counter -- they can get the exact tempos lined up.
But, I think that if you have the help of a BPM counter, you can concentrate more on artistic aspects of the mix, rather than the technical ones.

I know that it's not perfect and it makes mistakes sometimes -- but it does help a lot. I have Gemini BPM-150.

Posted by gibbo on Nov-25-2001 23:10:

Anyone who uses a beat counter is just useless and shite. beatmatching is a skill and is the most fun part about putting a good mix together beat counters just take any real skill out of mixing and take away the challenge of gettin the beats both at the same tempo.

Posted by inatrance on Nov-27-2001 01:50:

heh.. right so now that we're off topic, I own two dogs

Posted by VoiDeT on Nov-27-2001 07:47:

My fav two tracks to mix are
1. utah saints - lost vagueness with cygnus x - superstrings

and it is takening me a while (5weeks so far) to bring in a record then not touch it ever again until it is time to change again

Posted by DJ Teknique on Nov-27-2001 22:27:

quote:
Well, experienced DJ's can probably beatmatch extremely well without a BPM counter -- they can get the exact tempos lined up.

how do u think they get experience with beat matching? if u start using a BPM counter u'll get used to it, than mixing by ear won't be a priority to u. so when it comes to mixing without BPM counter there will be trainwrecks all the time. heres an example, if u know how to drive a car with automatic tranny and never drove manual before at first when u get on manual u'll stall, so u get same thing when u use BPM all the time and then go without it

Posted by Troggers on Nov-27-2001 23:34:

Beatmatching isn't that hard. It just takes a lot of practice. Once you got the beatmatching down, there's plenty of time to think about the artistic part of your mix. BTW isn't djing all about the technique. This is how you separate the great from the pathetic(although track selection plays a big part too). When there's two guys with an equally great track selection, but one of them is trainwrecking all over the place, while the other one's mixing is flawless. You tend to opt for the technically more refined dj, eh.

I normally beatmatch a record in about 30 seconds to a minute(and that's when I'm taking my time to get it perfect). If you're spinning a tune of about 8 mins that leaves you ample of time to think about your mix and even browse through all of your record cases looking for that record goes perfectly with the previous one.

The coolest sounding mix I ever did was Cass and Slide: Opera(Beckett's Phantoms only mix)into Bedrock: Heaven Scent(Evolution Main Mix). The two tracks were indistinguishable.

Posted by inatrance on Nov-28-2001 02:47:

i got my stuff!

Posted by inatrance on Nov-28-2001 02:49:

thanks for the ideas.. and the arguing but i chose two of my all time fav's, finished sympohny(hybrid), and nightmare(brainbug).. and it didnt suck that bad..

Posted by Troggers on Nov-28-2001 11:14:

Congrats.

Posted by boy_luke_y2k on Nov-28-2001 22:50:

Nice mix AndiH, would work nice with the Tiesto mix too.
I personally like Push - Universal Nation (Ferry Corsten Mix) into Picotto - Lizard, with Lizard layered over the top, I shall post a sample soon.
I started DJing 4 years ago with CDs and without a BPM counter and no EQ I could beatmatch within 2 weeks well. I let my DJing skills go to pot as I stopped DJing for a year. I got my decks at the start of the month and could beatmatch to a professional level within days. BPM counters are shit, you are only a good DJ if you can beat-match without it. I offer a challenge to any counter DJ to see how well they can do without it.

Posted by boy_luke_y2k on Nov-28-2001 23:04:

It's a rip from the last mix i did:

Push - Univesal Nation '99 (Ferry Corsten Mix) transition into Mauro Picotto - Lizard

Check it out, I'm sure you'll like it.

Posted by RavingLunatic on Nov-28-2001 23:45:

nice mix. 2nd one is a little loud coming in, but hey, I'm nitpicking.

i like those two songs alot.

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