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Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 20:29:

New Pope was in Hitler Youth

isn't anyone disturbed by the fact that the newly elected pope was in Hitler Youth? nazi or no nazi, WTF?????


http://www.reuters.co.in/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp;:426564e0:fe76de8563873fa9?type=worldNews&localeKey=en_IN&storyID=8230142


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Apr-19-2005 20:31:

I'm more disturbed by your avatar.

Wasn't your view of Catholics ever tarnished before this? He's just a man...


Posted by Floorfiller on Apr-19-2005 20:33:

they picked him because he's old and he'll die soon. that way they'll have a chance to think about the future and what they want the chruch to go and then get a new pope...


Posted by MarathonMan on Apr-19-2005 20:38:

If you did your resaerch then u would know it was compulsory to join the Hitler Youth back then, and he wasn't a too enthusiatic member


Posted by Falcon-X on Apr-19-2005 20:41:

possibly, but this guy is an extreme conservative... just what we need


Posted by proghead75 on Apr-19-2005 20:42:

Back then either you were with Hitler or against him. Being a young boy and a blueprint for Hilter's Perfect race he had no choice from what I have read on this subject.


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 20:43:

quote:
Originally posted by MarathonMan
If you did your resaerch then u would know it was compulsory to join the Hitler Youth back then, and he wasn't a too enthusiatic member


agreed, and i am aware of that. but becoming a pope requires adherence to strict guidelines and certain criteria to be met with regards to background. there were many other worthy candidates (both progressive and conservative) that would have fit the bill very well - doesn't it seem logical that membership in such an organisation should disqualify a person regardless of how enthusiastic or not that they were?


Posted by Orbax on Apr-19-2005 20:46:

Isnt forgiveness and understanding part of Gods plan?


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 20:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
they picked him because he's old and he'll die soon. that way they'll have a chance to think about the future and what they want the chruch to go and then get a new pope...


hehe, true enough. watch though... this bugger will live longer than ever, and probably cause havoc before he goes too.


Posted by Floorfiller on Apr-19-2005 20:47:

quote:
Originally posted by kossack
agreed, and i am aware of that. but becoming a pope requires adherence to strict guidelines and certain criteria to be met with regards to background. there were many other worthy candidates (both progressive and conservative) that would have fit the bill very well - doesn't it seem logical that membership in such an organisation should disqualify a person regardless of how enthusiastic or not that they were?


that's like saying you can never be president because you went to a public school...


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
Isnt forgiveness and understanding part of Gods plan?


perhaps... but since when is selecting a pope about god??

(it's probably more political than the election of the U.S. President)


Posted by Orbax on Apr-19-2005 20:50:

lol true. i just find it ironic that church dogma would state that "if 50 years ago you did something bad we cant let you worship God, sorry"

Who knows, an ex-youth might be just the thing the church needs


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
that's like saying you can never be president because you went to a public school...


in print and in policy, you are definitely right. and i agree that everyone should have equal opportunity for such positions... but in practice (behind closed doors more than in public), it's a reality. how many presidents are there that grew up in the ghetto, or scraped through highschool in single parent homes holding two jobs, or went to Juvie for auto theft...??


Posted by d-miurge on Apr-19-2005 20:55:

All the young children had the obligation to go there. Embrigadement belonged to the standard of the totalitarian modes.


Posted by Floorfiller on Apr-19-2005 20:56:

quote:
Originally posted by kossack
in print and in policy, you are definitely right. and i agree that everyone should have equal opportunity for such positions... but in practice (behind closed doors more than in public), it's a reality. how many presidents are there that grew up in the ghetto, or scraped through highschool in single parent homes holding two jobs, or went to Juvie for auto theft...??


well i'm not saying that it isn't more likely...i'm just saying that this dude made it to cardinal for some reason...and he was obviously thought to be good enough by his piers to be elected pope...and i'm sure they were well aware of his past when they selected him...


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
well i'm not saying that it isn't more likely...i'm just saying that this dude made it to cardinal for some reason...and he was obviously thought to be good enough by his piers to be elected pope...and i'm sure they were well aware of his past when they selected him...


true enough. and i hate to jump on the popular-politics scaremongering bandwagon without knowing all of the fine details that the media and the public never gain knowledge of. (i usually don't judge so quickly)... but i still think that a pope from South America or even from Africa would have served the world much better than one who will likely set back any progression the last pope achieved.


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on Apr-19-2005 21:03:

wow, I wonder if this new pope even knows that there is no god. Someone should tell him! That'ill be a nice surprise before his deathbed!

"hey old pope d00d, that whole god thing is fiction"

Old Pope D00d: "Yeah I know, great joke isnt it!"


Posted by kossack on Apr-19-2005 21:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
wow, I wonder if this new pope even knows that there is no god. Someone should tell him! That'ill be a nice surprise before his deathbed!

"hey old pope d00d, that whole god thing is fiction"

Old Pope D00d: "Yeah I know, great joke isnt it!"


hehe... the sad thing is, if that's the case then why the h3ll is he voluntarily missing out on alcohol and drugs and viagra all that fun stuff???


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on Apr-19-2005 21:16:

Some comedians take their work seriously. A joke this big needs to be nurtured. I dont think they will let the cat out of the bag for another few hundred years.


....man I wish i would be still around for the punchline, it'll be freaken halarious.


Posted by Pariah Cleric on Apr-19-2005 21:18:

Is it just me, or does he look like a cartoon "evil twin" version of the old pope? Zombie John Paul II?


Posted by jp on Apr-19-2005 21:20:

The Holy Ghost selected him to be the new Pope so who are we to judge...


Posted by NiteMer on Apr-19-2005 21:49:

The Catholic Church is a business. That's my whole problem with Catholicism. It's not about God, it's about money and power. People don't go to Church because they want to, they go because they feel obligated or for tradition. Over the past many centuries the Catholic Church has performed many abominations, casting a poor light on Christianity as a whole. I believe there are many Catholics that are good Christians, but the overall message is corrupted by the Church. Indulgences, the Crusades, etc, etc...

In Matthew, Jesus states that you cannot serve both money and God. I'm not trying to judge, by any means, but it seems like the Catholic Church is trying to straddle the fence on this one. The pope is a man, just like any other. Why is he so revered? Where does the bible say there should be a pope, or that one man should be considered higher than any others? Many of the policies of the Vatican aren't backed one iota by the Bible. I just don't get it.


Posted by Cal on Apr-19-2005 21:57:

quote:
Originally posted by kossack
agreed, and i am aware of that. but becoming a pope requires adherence to strict guidelines and certain criteria to be met with regards to background. there were many other worthy candidates (both progressive and conservative) that would have fit the bill very well - doesn't it seem logical that membership in such an organisation should disqualify a person regardless of how enthusiastic or not that they were?


You sir are a dumbass


Posted by vmc on Apr-19-2005 21:57:

quote:
Originally posted by NiteMer
It's not about God, it's about money and power. People don't go to Church because they want to, they go because they feel obligated or for tradition.


Thet's one good piece of a bullshit you're saying. Many people discover faith being an adult after a period of a rebel. They go to church because they feel the need to do this, not because somebody asked them or a tradition tells so.

quote:
Originally posted by NiteMer Where does the bible say there should be a pope, or that one man should be considered higher than any others? Many of the policies of the Vatican aren't backed one iota by the Bible. I just don't get it.


Jesus told st. Peter to be the next leader after him and later there will be next one, and the next one until Jesus returns to judge the living and the dead.


Posted by Orbax on Apr-19-2005 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
and he was obviously thought to be good enough by his piers to be elected pope


And if you cant trust the thing you tie your boat to, you cant trust anything.


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