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Posted by josh4 on Apr-19-2005 22:26:

World's top ten most corrupt leaders


http://www.transparency.org/pressre...r_relaunch.html


discuss


Posted by Q5echo on Apr-19-2005 22:51:

what if we human value on it, in addition to money, wouldn't Milosevic be like 2nd?

oh wait. he hasn't been convicted yet


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-19-2005 23:00:

I guess Yasser Arafat an't up their cause he's dead?

I dunno... What about Saddam, Saudis etc? I'd imagine they have embazeled more.


Posted by St_Andrew on Apr-20-2005 02:06:

Where is Jean Chr�tien?!


Posted by malek on Apr-20-2005 05:31:

wtf, where's the Al Assad?!?!?! this guy must have more than a couple of billions sitting somewhere.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Apr-20-2005 06:16:

Milosevic should not be on that list


Posted by ProDiGaL on Apr-20-2005 06:55:

good turn out by the philippines, I thought nigeria would atleast be in the top 3, close but im dissapointed.


Posted by tardif on Apr-20-2005 08:34:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
Where is Jean Chr�tien?!

* paul martin :P

cough sponsorship cough


Posted by razmataz on Apr-20-2005 11:06:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Milosevic should not be on that list


He has already embezzled 1 billion and is responsible for a genocide.

ps: you're a dope.


Posted by Rhand on Apr-20-2005 12:18:

Is it me or is almost every country in the top-10 from the Thirth World?

We from Europe should just go colonize every damn country in ther world... I bet they wo'n be that poor anymore


Posted by Dupz on Apr-20-2005 12:59:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Milosevic should not be on that list


Why not?

quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
He has already embezzled 1 billion and is responsible for a genocide.

ps: you're a dope.


lol, let me correct you.. he's SUSPECTED of genocide..


Posted by razmataz on Apr-20-2005 13:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Dupz
lol, let me correct you.. he's SUSPECTED of genocide..


Technically, Saddam is also 'suspected' of genocide. But, as with Milosevic, the mountain of evidence makes saying that superfluous.

There was an extensive thread about Milosevic some time ago so I'm not going to hijack this one.


Posted by zig on Apr-20-2005 15:41:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Milosevic should not be on that list


Are you dumb or something, i could provide a list of links the length of my arm as regards Milosevic and fraud....below i selected a few passages from said links to show the extent of his fraud...and if he shouldnt be on the list please state why...otherwise ill just presume your dumb or in denial or both.

Read this article first to understand how he raped the whole economy of Serbia/yugoslavia......

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/Artic...e=&ArticleID=84

Below are selected quuotes from a lengthy article about the billions secreted away through cypriot bank accounts.

quote:
One of the biggest international, financial crimes of all time was committed with Cyprus� help. An astronomical amount, estimated by the Serbian authorities to be in the region of $4.3 billion, was transferred to Cyprus from Serbia, between 1992 and 1998 and deposited in the bank accounts of eight companies controlled by the Milosevic regime.


quote:
The money was transferred in cash by an unorthodox method - cement bags were filled with banknotes and brought to Cyprus by plane. This money belonged to the Serbian people who were robbed by their president in an unprecedented case of fraud. This astronomical amount was stolen from Serbia�s customs and the reserves of its Central Bank


quote:
As a result of this unbelievable scam, hundreds of thousands of poor people lost their savings. After the fall of the Milosevic regime, the government issued the people with bonds, thus showing that it recognised the rights of Milosevic�s victims and undertaking to return their money if it is ever found and returned to Serbia. This colossal financial crime took place in the knowledge of the Cyprus Central Bank, which played a disgraceful role.


And the Swiss connection..more billions

quote:
Mladjan Dinkic, Yugoslavia�s Central Bank governor, stated the Milosevic family deposited $4 billion between 1992 and 1993 and over one hundred questionable accounts of Yugoslav nationals are believed held in Swiss bank.


Now i could go on and on providing links and quotes for the rest of the day.....more significent fraud happened in Russian Chinese Greek and many other bank accounts thrughout the world...

So why shouldnt he be on that list, please enlighten me........


Posted by Moral Hazard on Apr-21-2005 13:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I dunno... What about Saddam, Saudis etc? I'd imagine they have embazeled more.


I can't weigh in on the question re:Saddam but the Saudis are legitimate. Remember Muhammad bin Saud took siezed control of that territory in a series of tribal wars. By the end of the wars the House of Saud owned nearly all of the land that is now Saudi Arabia. They gained their wealth by selling that land and/or the oil under it. While they may be less then ethical in their buisness and political dealings they are not corrupt (at least not in the same manner that the rest of those on the list are).


Posted by Jackson on Apr-21-2005 13:35:

As previously said, it would be interesting to see one listing loss of human life by leaders.


Posted by Shakka on Apr-21-2005 14:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
As previously said, it would be interesting to see one listing loss of human life by leaders.


I suppose that would put FDR and Lincoln pretty high on the list!


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-21-2005 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
I suppose that would put FDR and Lincoln pretty high on the list!


Hehe, good point. Obviously we'd need a bit more to go by than the loss of life, which can be a bit fuzzy to objectively measure.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Apr-21-2005 16:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Rhand
Is it me or is almost every country in the top-10 from the Thirth World?

We from Europe should just go colonize every damn country in ther world... I bet they wo'n be that poor anymore


Yeah, except that 2 countries on the list are infact from Europe.

But there's kinda the truth in what you said. Those ex-colonies are far more screwed up now than they ever were during the colonial period.


Posted by Jackson on Apr-21-2005 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Hehe, good point. Obviously we'd need a bit more to go by than the loss of life, which can be a bit fuzzy to objectively measure.


I can imagine...maybe if it is done it should be measured in percentage rather than numbers as obviously some countrys are bigger than others.


Posted by Shakka on Apr-21-2005 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
I can imagine...maybe if it is done it should be measured in percentage rather than numbers as obviously some countrys are bigger than others.


If that were the case, Lincoln would still be near the top of that list, no? I mean during the 1860's, the U.S. population was far lower than it is now and there were scores upon scores of deaths...almost all of them U.S. citizens. Clearly this measure would need a lot of caveats.


Posted by Rhand on Apr-21-2005 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Yeah, except that 2 countries on the list are infact from Europe.

But there's kinda the truth in what you said. Those ex-colonies are far more screwed up now than they ever were during the colonial period.


I don't see Ukra�ne and Servia as Europe...

J/K


Posted by zig on Apr-21-2005 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Rhand
I don't see Ukra�ne and Servia as Europe...

J/K


Well heres a link for a bit of geography revision......

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/europe.htm

and btw......whereabouts do you think they are if not in Europe.


Posted by Nayil on Apr-21-2005 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I guess Yasser Arafat an't up their cause he's dead?

I dunno... What about Saddam, Saudis etc? I'd imagine they have embazeled more.


nah the oils enouff...they dont need to steal


Posted by Rhand on Apr-22-2005 20:30:

quote:
Originally posted by zig
Well heres a link for a bit of geography revision......

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/europe.htm

and btw......whereabouts do you think they are if not in Europe.


What is the problem with reading the "J/K "-part??

Offcourse I know they belong to Europe... I'm not a stupid ass concerning geography.


Posted by zig on Apr-23-2005 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Rhand
What is the problem with reading the "J/K "-part??

Offcourse I know they belong to Europe... I'm not a stupid ass concerning geography.


Im so glad your not an ass, i was quite worried......

Sorry about that, the effects of alcohol and sleep deprevation are my only excuse, i hope everything is... ...between us and to make up i will be sending you lots of good vibrations, so stay tuned in...K...


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