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Are Drum Loops Cheating?

i'm not a very good drum programmer, so loops definately come in handy, but it feels a bit like cheating, having bass drums, hi hats, bongos, etc. all perfectly mapped out when using samples. my ideas are still original though, and i try to keep some elements fresh in my drums...but do you guys think its cheating?

I used to think it was cheating...now I just feel that it's not fulfilling to use loops when I can make my own...I like everything to come from me. But people use them because it's such a time saver, you know. =o)

lazy bitches

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Originally posted by Dickie-T lazy bitches

no narking on the spoon feeding now.

Even though there probarbly more pro sounding, imo they sound gay. Ive never used them, nor do i want to, id rather just come up with my own totally bland loops instead

i sometimes use loops, but i like to chop them up and turn them into something different.. i always play around with them, i'd never insert a loop into a track of mine without altering it.

TOR, good point, using something like intakt to break up parts of a sample can work well too.

project7...i wouldn't say they sound gay...have you heard the stuff from ueberschall? there loop essentials disk is amazing, and realistically, when you listen to your typical trance song, most of them have a typical drum pattern anyways, theres not loads of originality in that category. thats why it doesn't feel like cheating to bad, since more or less most producers sound the same anyways.

I don't use them because of that...I know a lot of people want to save time and pain by using them. I want everything to be original from me. That's why a lot of the tracks posted in the Amateur Producers section are so refreshing and different...you can tell they did their homoework in the percussion department. =o)

i didnt use loops either, but lets face it.. everybody does, and i am thinking about the pros.. when u get a bunch of loops they can be easily recognised in older and newer tunes..

once u start using loops ull realise how many that actually does...

but again, actually getting good loops can be a freeking pain in the arse.. loops with KICK or CLAP in it is basically useless.. and most loops does have that.. its really annoying..

I read an interview with John00 Flemming and he said that he even uses loops but chops out the kicks and replaces them with his own. I haven't used loops in ages and so think they sound really shitty...me thinks they're straight off the 909.

you can get pretty creative if you use loops ase basic material for editing the hell out of. Indeed get rid of the claps, shuffle stuff around, and put it somewhere in the background of your percussion track alongside your custom (built from one shots) drum track.

For me a nice pointer is, if you take the orig loop, and you take your track, and you can't really tell that loop is in the track, you did fine It can certainly add flow!


I'm against stacking up unedited loops to build an entire percussion track. Sure it may sound nice, but that's an accomplishment of the sample CD creator.


Thin line there Do what feels good

I use loops as inspiration for my own beats, and sometimes layer them together.

I'm up in arms as to whether using loops is actually cheating, but there are definitely cases when they can be overused.

I use loops, unedited or otherwise, and I really don't mind.

using loop for filling up the track is kinda good i think..
wouldn't use it for the "upfront" perc's without editing it... but as i said.. it's nice to have to fill up the track

i even made acouple of loops myself one's to have just to fill up my track's some.... i have lost them now thou

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I'm against stacking up unedited loops to build an entire percussion track.

Me too. I grab percussion samples out of loops all the time, but I couldn't see myself stacking layers of premade loops to make a track...

I love experimenting with sound, especially sampling other music.

good fun, and you can start being creative to a certain degree.

Best results I have ever got was altering and layering live drumloops. They are more like tools

I don't belive drum loops are cheating. Simple drum loops with out the kick can be hidden under the the perc and giving it a nice layer to it although i don't use loops that much any more i think they can be used so that they are'nt that noticable but still come very handy.

this topic is getting strikingly similar to the age-old sampling debate.

use what you will, just make sure the end result is original

using loops? cmon, why not then just come back to Ejay

also depends on how you use it, in reason for example, when you use a loop with dr. rex, its a different story, you can practically change the loop beyond recognition and make it a different loop every time, that is not cheating, thats putting effort in your work.

I only use loops on several drums I already programmed by myself. Most of the time I use my own loops which a sampled or created by myself.

It's not cheating to use loops because it gives you a bigger rythm. And programming drums is also a question of gains, panning, EQ, effects... Sometime you can open a loop and use it completely differently of what it was before... I love to use loops in this way...

Most of the time I have 10-15 sounds of drums with 4-6 loops.

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Originally posted by aquila this topic is getting strikingly similar to the age-old sampling debate. use what you will, just make sure the end result is original

+1 why shouldn't we use loops, if they can help getting our productions to another level? I agree, using loops just the way you would use them in ejay isn't your own creativity - but you chose them for the track, as you felt they would fit.
If we were to be completely square about stuff, midi would be cheating aswell. lol

i have always refused to use loops, because i felt that it wasnt my own work, and i always liked to be original.

but now im thinkng maybe i should use them, i see so many producers these days using loops in there tracks, sometimes it pisses me off knowing that most of the track isnt actually produced by them.

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Originally posted by TranceMasterUk i see so many producers these days using loops in there tracks, sometimes it pisses me off knowing that most of the track isnt actually produced by them.

what a load of tosh.

i know eh, TranceMasterUk is such a sissy

if you hate that, just start up your car, and drive fast to the closes tree, honking at the same time and shouting out loud "HANSON SUCKS!!!!"

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