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I just found out one of my good friends is getting sued buy the RIAA. They subpoenaed a list of IP addresses from RPI that were sharing mp3's on the i2hub p2p software. apparently the list is about 3000 people long, however only 25 are being sued. One of my buddies is one of the unlucky 25.

I think this is a load of crap. College kids are poor. we don't have any money to spend on music and i don't think its any differnt from recording tunes off the radio. yeah i'm all for supporting the artists, but is the RIAA really looking out for them or just looking to cover their ass and make some money? the artist really doesn't get that much on their own cd sales anyway but thats besides the point.

They're suing him over 4 files. he had alot more shared but they apparently only have issues with 4 of them. There were also students on the network that were sharing far bigger collections, in the range of 100's of GB. his was about 15GB. they should have gone after the people with the biggest collections but they said they chose the ip's at "random". kicker is he was online in his girl friends apartment when they scanned the network for shares. He lives off campus and doesn't have his computer attached to the RPI network

Apparently the RIAA has access to the i2 network around the country because Warner Brothers is one of the sponsors for the high speed intercollege network. So I get it lets build a high speed multimillion dollar network for the purpose of sending text over it. yeah not music or video, thats not allowed. but send whatever "information" you want over it.

there's a bunch of information about it here about the RPI and Columbia kids that are being sued.

im curious to what you guys think.

My friend in College said that people using such sharing mp3 software weren't allowed and that the school montiored such programs.

Btw what songs did he get in trouble for sharing

he doesn't know which particular files it was just the fact that there were 4 of them. the rpi network will pretty much let you run most applications so long as they don't chew up ports below 1024. if you start transfering more then a couple gig a day on any of them they'll shut your connection down. otherwise its pretty nonrestrictive

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Originally posted by madhattared if you start transfering more then a couple gig a day on any of them they'll shut your connection down. otherwise its pretty nonrestrictive

I had to deal with stupid ass rule last year at Rutgers dorms

what do they want from him? prison sentence? fine?

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Originally posted by Coup what do they want from him? prison sentence? fine?

i'm pretty sure just a fine, he finds out in a couple weeks in court.

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Originally posted by madhattared I just found out one of my good friends is getting sued buy the RIAA. They subpoenaed a list of IP addresses from RPI that were sharing mp3's on the i2hub p2p software. apparently the list is about 3000 people long, however only 25 are being sued. One of my buddies is one of the unlucky 25. I think this is a load of crap. College kids are poor. we don't have any money to spend on music and i don't think its any differnt from recording tunes off the radio. yeah i'm all for supporting the artists, but is the RIAA really looking out for them or just looking to cover their ass and make some money? the artist really doesn't get that much on their own cd sales anyway but thats besides the point. They're suing him over 4 files. he had alot more shared but they apparently only have issues with 4 of them. There were also students on the network that were sharing far bigger collections, in the range of 100's of GB. his was about 15GB. they should have gone after the people with the biggest collections but they said they chose the ip's at "random". kicker is he was online in his girl friends apartment when they scanned the network for shares. He lives off campus and doesn't have his computer attached to the RPI network Apparently the RIAA has access to the i2 network around the country because Warner Brothers is one of the sponsors for the high speed intercollege network. So I get it lets build a high speed multimillion dollar network for the purpose of sending text over it. yeah not music or video, thats not allowed. but send whatever "information" you want over it. there's a bunch of information about it here about the RPI and Columbia kids that are being sued. im curious to what you guys think.

Well im against mp3's for one thing... People did just fine 30 years ago, going to a record store to discover new music.. Soo the line of shit people give "I wouldnt have discovered edm" is bullshit... And i think the riaa has full rights to prosecute people who break agreements or steal music. And in the end its not the top people who are hurt but the artist and the fans...

you know it's illegal, you know it's not right, you know organizations are out to get the biggest violators...but when it's one of your buddies who just happens to get caught and singled out, it's all bullshit...


grow the fuck up, kid...

What were the 4 tracks he was singled out for? Was it electronic music, or was he nailed for something more mainstream?

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Originally posted by fr0st Well im against mp3's for one thing... People did just fine 30 years ago, going to a record store to discover new music.. Soo the line of shit people give "I wouldnt have discovered edm" is bullshit... And i think the riaa has full rights to prosecute people who break agreements or steal music. And in the end its not the top people who are hurt but the artist and the fans...

actually, i disagree.
record stores never did it for me in the 90s.
it was only after i got a computer & audio players (before mp3, i used real audio, heh) that i really was able to find the stuff i love... a lot of it isn't even released in the US, or if it is, is easier to find on vinyl than CD - and i didn't have a record player till about a year ago. there are so many artists and songs i would never have known about if it weren't for file sharing, and since discovering them i've either supported them by going to a concert (which makes the artist WAY more money than CD sales, by the way) or by buying a CD/record/etc.

also, it's easy to find stuff in big cities like NYC, yes. but in farmland south jersey, all we had were places like sam goody. their EDM section sucked.

i do think it's better to discover stuff through your friends than p2p networks tho.... i have had better success that way.

i also think the RIAA and the laws are wrong. it's so stupid to prosecute these people for sharing mp3s, just like it's so stupid to sue people for using samples of other people's music in their own. up until recordings came along, composers used to quote each other all the time in their music. ever since the recording industry became an industry, the US laws have gotten tighter and tighter just so people can suck as much money out of each other as possible. ick.

just because it's the law doesn't make it right. personally, i think we should try to change the crazy copyright laws. i'm hoping to someday have enough money, power, and clear cut sketches of better-formed laws to do that.

Rachel

personally, I think that the RIAA don't give the artists their fare share of the pie, so fuck them

I haven't bought myself a RIAA affiliated CD since 1998 and plan to keep it that way.

he doesn't know which are the four tracks on his computer they are complaining about.

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Originally posted by Highmay you know it's illegal, you know it's not right, you know organizations are out to get the biggest violators...but when it's one of your buddies who just happens to get caught and singled out, it's all bullshit... grow the fuck up, kid...

yes mom i need to grow up. Way to read. I said he wasn't a big violater. There are plenty of other kids on campus that were sharing mp3 collections that were atleast 10x bigger then his.

I never said I shared anything either. I run linux / unix and the file sharing programs on them kinda blow. So I don't really see the point. but I do support the motion of distrubiting good music for the sake of buying what you like.

And you mean to tell me you don't have one single illegal mp3 on your computer? If you're going to be a hypocrite work on how you develope your arguments.

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Originally posted by verndogs personally, I think that the RIAA don't give the artists their fare share of the pie, so fuck them I haven't bought myself a RIAA affiliated CD since 1998 and plan to keep it that way.

you must steal a lot of music...

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Originally posted by holycow24 actually, i disagree. record stores never did it for me in the 90s. it was only after i got a computer & audio players (before mp3, i used real audio, heh) that i really was able to find the stuff i love... a lot of it isn't even released in the US, or if it is, is easier to find on vinyl than CD - and i didn't have a record player till about a year ago. there are so many artists and songs i would never have known about if it weren't for file sharing, and since discovering them i've either supported them by going to a concert (which makes the artist WAY more money than CD sales, by the way) or by buying a CD/record/etc. also, it's easy to find stuff in big cities like NYC, yes. but in farmland south jersey, all we had were places like sam goody. their EDM section sucked. i do think it's better to discover stuff through your friends than p2p networks tho.... i have had better success that way. i also think the RIAA and the laws are wrong. it's so stupid to prosecute these people for sharing mp3s, just like it's so stupid to sue people for using samples of other people's music in their own. up until recordings came along, composers used to quote each other all the time in their music. ever since the recording industry became an industry, the US laws have gotten tighter and tighter just so people can suck as much money out of each other as possible. ick. just because it's the law doesn't make it right. personally, i think we should try to change the crazy copyright laws. i'm hoping to someday have enough money, power, and clear cut sketches of better-formed laws to do that. Rachel

I lived in jupiter FL. In the late 90's i used to drive 40min to the nearest dance record store... Excuses for stealing music are exactly that excuses...

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Originally posted by Highmay you know it's illegal, you know it's not right, you know organizations are out to get the biggest violators...but when it's one of your buddies who just happens to get caught and singled out, it's all bullshit... grow the fuck up, kid...

For once i agree with captain highshit!!!

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Originally posted by fr0st I lived in jupiter FL. In the late 90's i used to drive 40min to the nearest dance record store... Excuses for stealing music are exactly that excuses...

that's great... I just got my license in september. i didn't have that option, sir.

as i said earlier, i think there's nothing wrong with sharing mp3s, just as there's nothing wrong with burning copies of CDs for friends, or making mix tapes, or taping off the radio, etc. etc... there are lots of ways that people have been getting free music for a long time. the only reason mp3s were singled out as "illegal" is because of the magnitude of the sharing. the law is what makes it stealing, and the law is what needs to be changed.

anyway... i hate arguing about things, so i'm probably not going to participate in this thread any longer. i just wanted to present my opinion.

Rachel

EDM shot themselves in the foot in the USA with sucky marketing and high prices.

I can get 1 hip hop vinyl for $5 but a domestic house vinyl is still $10? WTF is that shit? Luckily I got an internship with Yoshitoshi and will understand things like that.

But really though, with beatport and other online sites out there, there is really no excuse to be downloading illegal music anymore. I think youd find more luck finding a track online and buying it rather than searching for it on a p2p network. If EDM labels and artists want to get a better grip the market, they really need to utilize online mp3 shops. As far as sharing and downloading the mainstream stuff u hear on the radio. . ..

SHAME ON YOU. You can easily buy it online, music stores, and hear it on the radio.

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Originally posted by Greedy EDM shot themselves in the foot in the USA with sucky marketing and high prices. I can get 1 hip hop vinyl for $5 but a domestic house vinyl is still $10? WTF is that shit? Luckily I got an internship with Yoshitoshi and will understand things like that. But really though, with beatport and other online sites out there, there is really no excuse to be downloading illegal music anymore. I think youd find more luck finding a track online and buying it rather than searching for it on a p2p network. If EDM labels and artists want to get a better grip the market, they really need to utilize online mp3 shops. As far as sharing and downloading the mainstream stuff u hear on the radio. . .. SHAME ON YOU. You can easily buy it online, music stores, and hear it on the radio.

Well i worked a record store for bout a year or so... And domestic records were 6 bucks.... I think yoshi is pulling a fast one... Satilite here in NYC over charges aswell...

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Originally posted by fr0st you must steal a lot of music...

it's all about buying non-RIAA CDs from independent artists

"stealing music"


Oh no 50 cent goes bankrupt because of these dang college illegal mp3 downloader thieves.

I think the RIAA should punish the groups who crack, distribute, steal , etc etc not people who download it thats just stupid.

I've dl'd tons of music - happily. Fork the RIAA. This crusade against mp3's is rediculous. Need I remind many of you that Tranceaddict itself used to post songs and live sets on a very regular basis...
I have closets full of vinyl and cd's (supporting the artists) from stuff I've found by going to shows (supporting the artists), looking up tracklists, dl'ing the songs to make sure it's what I wanted, then buying it. (If I don't like it, I don't buy it - kinda reminds me of a car; if it's a piece of crap when you test drive it, you don't feel obligated to buy it because you drove it) Unfortunately, my office doesn't have the free space for the stacks of albums and cds. Thus, I keep the songs on my computer so that I can trance away my pencil-pushing days... I can find nothing wrong with that.
just my $.02

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Originally posted by fr0st Well im against mp3's for one thing... People did just fine 30 years ago, going to a record store to discover new music.. Soo the line of shit people give "I wouldnt have discovered edm" is bullshit... And i think the riaa has full rights to prosecute people who break agreements or steal music. And in the end its not the top people who are hurt but the artist and the fans...

sure thing mate...

Here's some fact to put with the fiction:
http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue10_4/geist/

Interesting editorial:
http://www.theregister.com/2004/09/...active_keynote/

a nice new law:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/p2p_is_murder/

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Since involuntary manslaughter brings, on average, anywhere from 0 to 36 months' incarceration, one might well question the morality of going harder on those who trade files than on those who negligently cut short the lives of fellow citizens. But the 109th Congress is about nothing if not morality, and it understands well the essential sacredness of the nation's ruling cartels.

ps.: yes i know i am retarded for arguing on the internet...

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Originally posted by drizzt81 sure thing mate... Here's some fact to put with the fiction: http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue10_4/geist/ Interesting editorial: http://www.theregister.com/2004/09/...active_keynote/ a nice new law: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/p2p_is_murder/ ps.: yes i know i am retarded for arguing on the internet...

Im not even gonna bother... What do i know from working everyday with music and being a artist myself.... There is no point in arguing. But when the only decent artist we have left quit making unique music because there is no money in it the only ones you can blame are your selves... Again i said its not the pop stars who suffer its the independant artist who live from paycheck to paycheck. Gig to gig.. When was the last time you turned on a radio station that played new and innovative music?


And im not your mate.

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Originally posted by fr0st Im not even gonna bother... What do i know from working everyday with music and being a artist myself.... There is no point in arguing. But when the only decent artist we have left quit making unique music because there is no money in it the only ones you can blame are your selves... Again i said its not the pop stars who suffer its the independant artist who live from paycheck to paycheck. Gig to gig.. When was the last time you turned on a radio station that played new and innovative music?

for fucksakes !this is the 21st century .... i think artists need to find other ways or try workin along with wat is goin on in the future bcuz downloading is unstopable, i say fuck the riaa, music is music.....

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