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Substance Abuse and Clubs (Are you really in it for the music?)

Do you think that people who have to drop a tab or get drunk to have a good time at a club can really be considered clubbers or people who are there for the music?

To me, if you can't go to a club without needing more than a few drinks or dropping E then you aren't there for the music. Do you get drunk on your own or dose at home when you're listening to your EDM? If no then why do you feel the need to have to do it everytime you go out when the experience is 10x better and should be enough.

I just never understood it, yeah drinking makes you feel great, so does E but why not do it in a place or at a time when you're not in such an enjoyable place as it is? Sure drop a dab every so often or have a drink or two to get your night going but there's a line you cross where to me you just can't call yourself a fan of the DJ anymore. "Yea I loved seeing you spin mr. Picotto you were so good, especialy after 3 pills" I'm sure that he'd appreciate hearing that, it's the type of thing I'm sure makes a DJ ashamed to spin.

What are your thoughts and opinions?

Well, I always like to drink b/c it loosens up the inhibitions, lets me move a little crazier and be more outgoing, which is good in a club environment. And usually I work before hand, so a few Red Bull Vodka/Jaegers will wake me up, as well as getting me more into it. Not to mention it enhances the experience, and pills just do that ten-fold for me. A great track normally, at that volume and combined with a pill, is just fucking unbelievable, and considering how many DJs do or have done substances, I really don't think they'd care, as long as people are enjoying themselves and the music.

I absolutely enjoy the music sober, but substances can take it to a whole different level.

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Originally posted by pagoda Well, I always like to drink b/c it loosens up the inhibitions, lets me move a little crazier and be more outgoing, which is good in a club environment. And usually I work before hand, so a few Red Bull Vodka/Jaegers will wake me up, as well as getting me more into it. Not to mention it enhances the experience, and pills just do that ten-fold for me. A great track normally, at that volume and combined with a pill, is just fucking unbelievable, and considering how many DJs do or have done substances, I really don't think they'd care, as long as people are enjoying themselves and the music. I absolutely enjoy the music sober, but substances can take it to a whole different level.

I often hear people with substance abuse problems tell me that they can enjoy life sober. That they can go to a restaurant without drinking they just choose not to. A smoker saying he can quit whenever he wants. It becomes like hearing a broken record which becomes less convincing over time.

A lot of DJs do drugs because they have hectic schedules. Not that it's an excuse but they need something to keep them up to do a 9 hour set then fly to another country and do it again. I still think that a DJ, while they may do the drugs themselves, wouldn't sleep as well at night knowing that the only people who come to see him spin and enjoy the music he produces and plays are e-tards and alcoholics.

A spoon amuzes someone who is whacked out of their mind, I'm sure DJs everywhere are jumping for joy that they can compete with that.

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Originally posted by pagoda Well, I always like to drink b/c it loosens up the inhibitions, lets me move a little crazier and be more outgoing, which is good in a club environment. I absolutely enjoy the music sober, but substances can take it to a whole different level.

+1. otherwise i feel retarded dancing around. I love the music, no doubt about that. otherwise i wouldn't be posting here. but man.. throw out a pill or three... mmm. drugs, clubs and EDM is a great combo.

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Originally posted by Blue. I often hear people with substance abuse problems tell me that they can enjoy life sober. That they can go to a restaurant without drinking they just choose not to. A smoker saying he can quit whenever he wants. It becomes like hearing a broken record which becomes less convincing over time. A lot of DJs do drugs because they have hectic schedules. Not that it's an excuse but they need something to keep them up to do a 9 hour set then fly to another country and do it again. I still think that a DJ, while they may do the drugs themselves, wouldn't sleep as well at night knowing that the only people who come to see him spin and enjoy the music he produces and plays are e-tards and alcoholics. A spoon amuzes someone who is whacked out of their mind, I'm sure DJs everywhere are jumping for joy that they can compete with that.

Wow.

So, with that attitude, why did you start the E thread in cor asking for advice?

In all seriousness, I'm wondering why you started this thread? You ask for opinions and thoughts; I give you mine and you make assumptions and straight out bash me for giving them?

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Originally posted by pagoda Wow. So, with that attitude, why did you start the E thread in cor asking for advice? In all seriousness, I'm wondering why you started this thread? You ask for opinions and thoughts; I give you mine and you make assumptions and straight out bash me for giving them?

My apologies if it seamed like an attack on you, I meant it in no such way. I started the other thread because I don't want to blindly run into doing a drug. I tried it once and enjoyed myself and now I don't plan to use it again for a long while. I made the thread in hopes of getting sound advice and it all worked out well for me and I had an amazing night. That being said I could go do it again without the drug.

Please correct me where I made any assumptions and I'll try to reply with something that sounds a bit less like an attack. I knew I would mainly get replies saying they go hand in hand, I'm just not sure that I understand it.

The first paragraph, as well as the last sentence of the second paragraph seem to be assuming that I'm an alcoholic/drug addict and a bit of an attack. Maybe it's just me, that's just how it comes off. No worries though, I see where you're coming from now.

I don't think clubs will last long if nobody would drink and just be sober. LoL imagine every looking around sober at long breakdowns

And yes I go out to get rid off the daily (work)stress. If I would go out and stay sober I would rather stay home.

So now the question is are the clubs in it for the music???

As for me , the first thing for me is the music than comes all teh "extras" , i dont have to drink\take drugs to enjoy a good party
but drinkin can loose you up a bit and thats good same as drugs makes you feel the music but it's not a must do thingy for me..
c0z im a trance junkie

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue drugs, clubs and EDM is a great combo.

+1

E = Enhancement & Energy, imo.

and yes there have been nights where i've partied completely straight. I get tired quicker though, particularly when the bpms increase as the night goes on.

and anyone who claims alcohol is not a drug, you are wrong.

btw, this ain't no music discussion

In my opinion, a true clubber goes for the music. Therefore, s/he shouldn't need to use any drugs to enhance their experience because they should already be loving the music in the first place. However, it's their business what they consume when clubbing.

here we go again

Sometimes I feel like a nut

Sometimes I dont

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 here we go again

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Originally posted by Blue. I often hear people with substance abuse problems tell me that they can enjoy life sober. That they can go to a restaurant without drinking they just choose not to. A smoker saying he can quit whenever he wants. It becomes like hearing a broken record which becomes less convincing over time.

Eh, just because people with abuse problems say that doesn't mean that people without problems can't say it.


And your whole reasoning is a little off. You are saying if someone is going to a club for music, they can't drink any alcohol, do any drugs (I am guessing you are gonna limit this to illicit drugs and not like headache or legally prescribed drugs), or anything. But I go to bars to chat with my friends, that doesn't mean im not gonna drink, I got ot parties to pick up chicks, that doesn't mean Im not gonna drink, I also go to clubs for music, doesn't mean im not gonna drink, I also go to parties to play music, that doens't mean im not gonna drink.


I think what I am alluding to is that people don't go to clubs for one reason, althoguh they may verbalize, im going to a club for the music, there are many many things they actually wanna do. Its just not pragmatic to say them all.

^I've never seen guys like at the raves where I've been

I've never used drugs or became drunk at raves, because that's my own choice. Some of my friends do E, though, and that's their responsibility. I heared drugs makes you feel the music more, makes you more free and happy and stuff. It's a little bit blunt to say 'People who use drugs/get drunk don't care about the music'. I think it's important to also include emotions, feelings and if people need stuff to enhance that. Let that be their choice.

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Originally posted by TruffleShuffle In my opinion, a true clubber goes for the music. Therefore, s/he shouldn't need to use any drugs to enhance their experience because they should already be loving the music in the first place. However, it's their business what they consume when clubbing.

same with me i don believe in those 50 yr old people fuked up running into me and think they can pick up 18yr olds.I go simply for the dj and music. People always assume im on E cuz im having a good time fuken sterotypes

Is it so hard for you lot to comprehend that some of us go to the shows for the music and that substances simply enhance the experience? Jesus, I don't think it's that hard of a concept.

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Originally posted by UWM Is it so hard for you lot to comprehend that some of us go to the shows for the music and that substances simply enhance the experience? Jesus, I don't think it's that hard of a concept.

well try to remember back before you started doing it. Its hard to fathom something you've never experienced. well except for me I guess.

Haha maybe it's bad that I can't remember back before I started doing it because it's been so long

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Originally posted by TruffleShuffle In my opinion, a true clubber goes for the music. Therefore, s/he shouldn't need to use any drugs to enhance their experience because they should already be loving the music in the first place. However, it's their business what they consume when clubbing.

I agree. Ive always been in it just for the dj and the music. I have never taken E so I cant really say much about it, and I probably never will take it. I get on an emotional high from the music and the vibe alone, for me I just dont have a desire to take any drugs. Once in a while I will have a couple drinks, and more often if I'm at a club where there is no special guest dj and I am just hangin with some friends.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 Eh, just because people with abuse problems say that doesn't mean that people without problems can't say it. And your whole reasoning is a little off. You are saying if someone is going to a club for music, they can't drink any alcohol, do any drugs (I am guessing you are gonna limit this to illicit drugs and not like headache or legally prescribed drugs), or anything. But I go to bars to chat with my friends, that doesn't mean im not gonna drink, I got ot parties to pick up chicks, that doesn't mean Im not gonna drink, I also go to clubs for music, doesn't mean im not gonna drink, I also go to parties to play music, that doens't mean im not gonna drink. I think what I am alluding to is that people don't go to clubs for one reason, althoguh they may verbalize, im going to a club for the music, there are many many things they actually wanna do. Its just not pragmatic to say them all.

Deserved a quote. Pretty much how I feel about the situation. Whether you do it or not is your call. Judging someone by saying if they do then they arent in it for the music is absurd. Just like saying, well if you love someone then you shouldnt need to have sex with them. Being with them and emotionally loving them with feelings should be all you need.

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Originally posted by Blue. To me, if you can't go to a club without needing more than a few drinks or dropping E then you aren't there for the music. Do you get drunk on your own or dose at home when you're listening to your EDM? If no then why do you feel the need to have to do it everytime you go out when the experience is 10x better and should be enough.

Oh for fuck's sake, get off the soap-box. Are there people who overdo it at clubs? Sure. Are there people that seem to be in it more for the drugs than the music? Absolutely. Does that mean that you are right to lump everyone that has ever taken a drug in a club (including alcohol) in the same boat? Absolutely not.

I take E occasionally (1-2 times a month, if that) and I drink fairly frequently when I'm out clubbing as well. I also listen to music for several hours a day, without fail, while not on any of these substances and due to the fact that I live about 20-25 minutes from the city, I also have to club it sober occasionally as well. While there are definitely some parts of some nights that I can't remember, I'm always there for the music and if it wasn't for the music, I wouldn't be there at all. If I was all about just going out and getting fucked up (as you seem to presume that people who take drugs are), I'd go to a commercial club where there's a better chance of meeting women, at least, wouldn't I? However, even though I can appreciate the music I like in any state of mind, there is no doubt that a moderate amount of intoxication makes the night just that much more enjoyable (being too intoxicated is not much fun either, though fwiw). It's easier to get into the feel of the night, you feel less self-conscious dancing and - yes - it can make the music sound even better at times.

As for what you've said, it's ridiculous to compare sitting in front of the computer listening to winamp with actually being out in a club environment with a bunch of close friends and hundreds of people you don't know. You can still be in it for the music and have a few beers and maybe a pill to enhance social cohesion, can't you? Being out sober and listening to the music you love on a decent system is more fun than sitting at home, for sure, but being out sober in a club results in chin-stroking towards the back - for me at least - which can be fun, but not nearly as much fun as actually loosening up a bit, getting involved in the night and appreciating the music I love at the same time. You may say that you're only going out clubbing to listen to music, but then - I ask - what's the difference between going out and listening to music that may or may not be to your tastes (depending on how the DJs perform) on a big system and staying at home listening to music that you can customise to your tastes on a big system (if you have one)?

Then you procede to say: "drinking makes you feel great, so does E but why not do it in a place or at a time when you're not in such an enjoyable place as it is"? This, to me, makes no sense - if you can have fun sober, you shouldn't have more fun by drinking or taking drugs? When is an acceptable time to indulge then - only when you're on your own and extremely bored? You should only take drugs to create fun, never to enhance it? What the fuck kind of a thing is that to imply?

If you don't want to take drugs or drink, then that's your choice. No-one can take that away from you. When, however, you take your straight-edge attitude and begin to cast aspersions on anyone that's ever taken a mind-altering substance at a club, then you'r just making yourself look foolish. If you enjoy the music then you shouldn't really care what everyone else is doing - isn't that the kind of philosophy you should be adhering to? Or wouldn't I understand, seeing as I don't appreciate the music as much as you?

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Originally posted by Renegade Oh for fuck's sake, get off the soap-box. Are there people who overdo it at clubs? Sure. Are there people that seem to be in it more for the drugs than the music? Absolutely. Does that mean that you are right to lump everyone that has ever taken a drug in a club (including alcohol) in the same boat? Absolutely not. I take E occasionally (1-2 times a month, if that) and I drink fairly frequently when I'm out clubbing as well. I also listen to music for several hours a day, without fail, while not on any of these substances and due to the fact that I live about 20-25 minutes from the city, I also have to club it sober occasionally as well. While there are definitely some parts of some nights that I can't remember, I'm always there for the music and if it wasn't for the music, I wouldn't be there at all. If I was all about just going out and getting fucked up (as you seem to presume that people who take drugs are), I'd go to a commercial club where there's a better chance of meeting women, at least, wouldn't I? However, even though I can appreciate the music I like in any state of mind, there is no doubt that a moderate amount of intoxication makes the night just that much more enjoyable (being too intoxicated is not much fun either, though fwiw). It's easier to get into the feel of the night, you feel less self-conscious dancing and - yes - it can make the music sound even better at times. As for what you've said, it's ridiculous to compare sitting in front of the computer listening to winamp with actually being out in a club environment with a bunch of close friends and hundreds of people you don't know. You can still be in it for the music and have a few beers and maybe a pill to enhance social cohesion, can't you? Being out sober and listening to the music you love on a decent system is more fun than sitting at home, for sure, but being out sober in a club results in chin-stroking towards the back - for me at least - which can be fun, but not nearly as much fun as actually loosening up a bit, getting involved in the night and appreciating the music I love at the same time. You may say that you're only going out clubbing to listen to music, but then - I ask - what's the difference between going out and listening to music that may or may not be to your tastes (depending on how the DJs perform) on a big system and staying at home listening to music that you can customise to your tastes on a big system (if you have one)? Then you procede to say: "drinking makes you feel great, so does E but why not do it in a place or at a time when you're not in such an enjoyable place as it is"? This, to me, makes no sense - if you can have fun sober, you shouldn't have more fun by drinking or taking drugs? When is an acceptable time to indulge then - only when you're on your own and extremely bored? You should only take drugs to create fun, never to enhance it? What the fuck kind of a thing is that to imply? If you don't want to take drugs or drink, then that's your choice. No-one can take that away from you. When, however, you take your straight-edge attitude and begin to cast aspersions on anyone that's ever taken a mind-altering substance at a club, then you'r just making yourself look foolish. If you enjoy the music then you shouldn't really care what everyone else is doing - isn't that the kind of philosophy you should be adhering to? Or wouldn't I understand, seeing as I don't appreciate the music as much as you?

Couldn't have said it any better myself, cheers.

It's always been about the music for me, and always will, but I don't really think it matters if I have a drink or two while I'm out having a good time.

Ever gone to a party without music or alcohol? Not much or a party is it?

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